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Author Topic:   Why try to disprove people's beliefs?
Taz
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Message 6 of 72 (457492)
02-23-2008 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ChristianJuggalo
02-23-2008 6:03 PM


CJ writes:
Why do some atheists try to disprove God?
I've actually never tried to disprove god before in my life. That's impossible to do.
What I've tried to do is try to inject people with a healthy dose of skepticism, especially when child abuse in the name of religion is involved.
Why do some Christians try to prove God?
Because it is entirely possible to do. They just haven't been able to do it yet.

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Taz
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Message 12 of 72 (457499)
02-23-2008 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by CK
02-23-2008 7:34 PM


CK writes:
Thankfully we've got the CofE pretty much beat.
What the hell is "CofE"?

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Taz
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Message 47 of 72 (460816)
03-19-2008 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by ChristianJuggalo
03-19-2008 9:39 AM


Re: Current times people.
CJ writes:
I'm tired of certain atheists such as Richard Dawkins talking shit about the Bible and trying to disprove it.
People like Richard Dawkins are only responding to the rising threat of christian conservatism interfering with human freedom.
But, sometimes when I argue with an atheist online, they start making fun of the Bible and using sarcasm. Why? If you're so secure with your beliefs, then you have no reason to get pissed or start trashing to the other person.
Think about it this way. The christians in this country have made non-christians such as myself second class citizens. We don't have a chance in hell of getting elected to any kind of office worth elected for. Every time someone runs for office, that person has to repeat over and over that he accepts Jesus Christ as his personal savior.
You christians have made the rest of us into second class citizens. Trust me, being made fun of is a very small price to pay.
I also hate the fact that atheists are trying to force evolution down childrens throats. They want them to believe evolution and not believe in God. If a kid wants to believe in God, then he has the right doesn't he? The same goes for Christians, some are trying to get creation taught in schools, I don't think that's right either. All they need to do, is cast out evolution and creation in schools and not worry about the shit anymore.
And you've just demonstrated a very common christian ignorant view. Evolution has absolutely nothing to say about theism and whatnot. It's science. It's the basis of all biological mechanisms that we know of. It has saved millions and millions of lives. It has made very accurate predictions. It has even given rise to whole new branches of science like genetics.
The same thing cannot be said about creationism.
Also, I have seen people get laughed at or made fun of in my school for questioning evolution. Why laugh? Are that stuck up?
Here is a thought. This is a very small price to pay for what you christians have been doing for years. The fact that I don't accept Jesus as my personal savior has automatically disqualified me from most political offices. This is not to mention the "well, I'm a christian therefore I'm better than you" attitude that I encounter almost on a daily basis.
Oh yeah, you have it so bad being an atheist don't you?
Think about it. The fact that we have not accepted Jesus as our personal savior has disqualified us from pretty much most political offices in this country. In other words, we have almost no representation in the government. How is this not bad?
You are not feeling the affect of persecution because, frankly, you're not one of us.
You aren't the one that is constantly being made fun of (current times not past)in the media, schools, television. So don't start bitching and crying.
Again, being made fun of is a very small price to pay for what christians continue to do to the rest of us. You guys have been doing it for centuries and are still doing it.
Don't judge us as a whole because of some.
Some? Excuse me? It takes more than a hand full to make sure that it is almost impossible for non-christians to get elected into political offices. Sure, you can name a few exceptions here and there just like you could name a few exceptions in the black community back during Jim Crow who hadn't been discriminated against.
It takes more than a hand full to make sure that it is absolutely impossible for a non-christian to be elected as president.
Hell, I don't judge anyone I leave that to God (who I believe is real, I'm trying to force anything on you cry baby) I have friends that are atheist. So don't be such a prick.
I just find it funny that people like racists and homophobes always say "well, I have friends who are black" and "well, I have friends who are gay" as if that absolves them of their racism and homophobia.

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Taz
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Message 66 of 72 (461002)
03-20-2008 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by dwise1
03-20-2008 7:55 PM


I just want to bring attention to this again.
I can't stress this enough, people. Look at the wise one's words. Same damn thing I've been saying for a long time.
Atheists cannot get elected, remember?
With a christian majority population in place, it is almost impossible for an atheist to get elected into any kind of office. I'm just sick and tired of seeing this persecution complex in christians over and over again. Let me repeat myself. Don't blame atheists for the policies that other christians came up with. The fact that I'm an atheist automatically disqualifies me from most public offices. So stop with the rant already.

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Taz
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Message 69 of 72 (461071)
03-21-2008 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by dwise1
03-21-2008 3:15 AM


Re: Current times people.
You're kidding, right? Straczynski made damn sure throughout the show that an explanation is given for every "alien" religion out there while leaving christianity completely alone. Even in the episode where Kosh had to leave his encounter suit to rescue Sheridan there was absolutely no christian present to realize that any supernatural being even remotely related to the judeo-christian god was actually a Vorlon.
In fact, all the episodes that had christian monks and basically just christians were completely absent of any Vorlon or Shadow. So, while Straczynski wanted to have the storyline show that the conflict between 2 of the oldest races in the galaxy was the true origin of all religions, he very subtly implied that christianity was an exception.
Same thing with star trek. Off the top of my head I can think of at least a dozen episodes where the topic of religion was presented and how it always resulted in letting us know the true origin of the religion is actually technologically advance alien race visiting Earth in the far past. In one particular episode in star trek voyager, Chekotee made contact with an alien race that turned out to be the "sky people" that is the basis for native American religions because they apparently visited Earth thousands of years ago.
The same theme is seen in stargate sg-1. Every religion that has ever existed in human history is specifically mentioned by name and how those deities were actually technological advance aliens seeking to enslave people... that is every religion except for christianity. In fact, the creators of stargate sg-1 throughout the last 10 years have been exceptionally careful in not mentioning christianity at all while giving us several episodes that specifically say buddhism is one such religion that originated with advance alien beings and the buddha is actually an alien.
I honestly don't know how you can see these sci fi series as neutral when in fact they are blatantly and obviously pro-christian, not to mention they have a hint of anti-evolution.
In star trek enterprise, captain archer was presented with a dilemma. An entire race of alien people was dying because of a genetic defect. Doctor flox told archer that evolution has chosen to kill off these people so another race of people on the same planet could have a chance to evolve out of their stone age. Even though flox have found a cure to save 1 billion + people from certain death, the son of a bitch actually adviced archer to leave and let these people die so evolution could have its way. At one point, archer said his conscience couldn't let him do that, and flox said "I say we let nature decide..." In the end, archer left and let a billion people die so a few stone age people could evolve.
I find these shows entertaining but at the same time grossly pro-christian and anti-evolution.

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