Come and get me, right wingers!

Dishonesty is a trait. Not an insult.You seem to be misguided, realize the difference in parables and what you call "stories" of the Bible.Ignorance is something needed to be told, otherwise you would have never known. See the logic?"trait of the breed"Hypocritical? (another needed realization)

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or calling them ignorant?

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I think it must be a trait of the breed.

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Also, don't avoid it, not worth it.

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Pick wht ever you want man. Any book you please omgoodness.

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I did NOT say "The Bible is just stories told around the campfire" (although much of it is).

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Support your assertion plz, you have over 2000 posts dood you know the drill. How you get that many lol, I've been here awhile.

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What is it with you fundies that you cannot read and you immediately want to call anyone with an opposing view, "dishonest"?

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You're like 40 something right, quit the name calling. Uh, actually you have shown no evidence for your "campfire" theory, "what if" statement.

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Can you not defend the message of Jesus without the Bible? Have you so little faith that you believe in the Bible instead of GOD?

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Have you so little faith you have to defend your God?
The thing is...
Would you even know Jesus without the Gospels?

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The Bible is the Map.

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The Map is not the Territory!

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If you are following a road map and you come to an area where the bridge has been washed out, should you believe the Map and continue across?

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Seems like you have more faith in this analogy than God.

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So no answer for the question I asked?Does it matter if the events related in the parables actually happened or were simply stories told to illustrate a point?

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Does it matter if the events related in the parables actually happened or were simply stories told to illustrate a point?

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Well do you think Jesus actually told those parables?

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I assume you mean which parts of the Bible are but "Tales told around the campfire".If so, that's pretty easy. The Creation Myth is a good example. The Flood never happened and Noah is certainly simply a tale complete with parts the kids could act out around the fire. Exodus is totally unsupported by any evidence as are the tales of Joshua's battles. Then there is the tale of the sun standing still, Lot's wife, and many, many more. Possibly. Afterall, the information about GOD was around ling before it was written down and even the Gospels were all written long, long after the fact. Oh, I have faith in GOD, and in the message of the Bible. But the message has nothing to do with whether or not it should be read literally.

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It doesn't matter. The point they make is still as true.Does it matter whether Mencius actually went to see king Hi of Liang?

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I assume you mean which parts of the Bible are but "Tales told around the campfire".

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If so, that's pretty easy. The Creation Myth is a good example. The Flood never happened and Noah is certainly simply a tale complete with parts the kids could act out around the fire. Exodus is totally unsupported by any evidence as are the tales of Joshua's battles. Then there is the tale of the sun standing still, Lot's wife, and many, many more.

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So that's like 4 books right? yeah...

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Possibly. Afterall, the information about GOD was around ling before it was written down and even the Gospels were all written long, long after the fact.

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Oh really, care to share your evidence? That would be terrific.This message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 08-25-2004 11:26 PMThis message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 08-25-2004 11:26 PM

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It doesn't matter. The point they make is still as true.

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Does it matter whether Mencius actually went to see king Hi of Liang?

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Quit dodging please, just answer the question. Do you think Jesus actually told those parables?much obliged

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No, just a few off the top of my head. Sure.Mark was likely written between 65-75CE, Matthew sometime later, probably after 75CE, Luke is likely from even later, probably between 90 and 100 CE while John was probably post 100 CE.The Gospel of Thomas may have been the first written down.

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Me personally? Sure, I believe he told those tales, but the important point is that it doesn't matter. The import, the content, is beyond the issue of whether or not it really happened.

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I thought 'Q' was written first.

That's how you and me differ. I believe it's important that it actually happened. Words like that I feel, couldn't have never happened, like wrote by some philosopher in his house. Jesus is real to me.This message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 08-25-2004 11:44 PM

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M, L and Q are inferred but we don't have anything other than inference to show they exited. So we have no idea if they were more than an oral tradition.In all it looks like there were more than 50 different Gospels. And even within the 4 Gospels it looks like John at least was written by several different people.Matthew and Luke definitely drew from Mark although it's unknown if the authors of either were aware of the other. Both were after the destruction of the Temple, so post 70 CE.John was much later, after the Jewish sect called Christians were driven from the Synagogues. It probably reflects the break from being simply a Jewish sect into a different faith. The big question, one I've debated over the years, is whether or not John is a reflection of what happened or was it part of what lead to the split.edited to fix a typo (N instead of L. call me fumble fingers)This message has been edited by jar, 08-26-2004 12:27 AM

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