"Evidence and Faith"

IF our basic belief is that God is the Creator, we can ask ourselves where He fits into the picture. Here are my current beliefs:

God exists and has always existed. Even though I can only conceive of Him within the limits of my imagination, I believe that He existed long before I or any other human or animal even had the ability to conceive of Him. Thus, in that regard, God is the Creator.

One sermon that I heard asked the rhetorical question of which came first: God or Dirt? It was funny, but it basically framed the overall creation issue as I see it.

What came first? The Creator or human ideas about this creator?

What came first? A Creator or a singularity?

as for the idea and question that many folks ask: Who made God?
I would ask: Which idea was the original premise? The human idea or Gods I Am that I Am idea?

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To boil it down:
Are we Gods idea? (His creation?)
or is God our idea?

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I believe the former.

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Edited by Phat, : add by edit

Words are human inventions. One could argue that God created everything and that we are simply recreators. (Meaning that there is nothing new under the Sun) In other words, when a human invents something, the idea already existed. There is no such thing as an original thought. Perhaps the only original thought could be thought of by (The Origin) That speaks of a Creator. Again.But the definition of ideas can only be expressed through words.

Maybe because I think I am the know-it-all instead of Him!

Evidence is human conclusions based on human wisdom. Thats all it ever can be. I can attest that God is real in my heart. I can bear witness that I am growing stronger in being able to articulate my faith even as I test it against other faiths. My testimony speaks for myself. It does not speak for God.(although people may see my testimony as a tool to reaffirm their own beliefs one way or another.)

Why do you think we go over the same topics again and again and again? Hopefully, we are testing our beliefs and by learning new ideas we allow these ideas to be examined by other critical thinkers.I would not necessarily say that my Beliefs are new, but they are certainly seen by me differently than they were a year or two ago.

Perhaps a better question is why do you want to tell your Pastor that creation science is full of it? Do you really think that by stepping up and taking a stand you will cause your church to change its philosophy? or...would it be better for you to find a new church?Personally, I disagree with most everyone in my church about something! Its the things we agree on that cause me to stay with them, however. They are no better or worse than any other group of people.

I never felt as if Santa was speaking to me when I was a kid. I never felt anything about him at all, despite cultural indoctrination. I knew that the department store Santas were phonies.

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When I believed that I was saved, I first felt an extreme inner change---even before I realized what had happened. The change was exactly as strong if not stronger the next morning...and the next...and the next. I didn't even seek to want to believe as strongly as I ended up believing.

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In conclusion:

No, I cannot provide any evidence externally to others, aside from my behavior. Additionally, I won't claim myself to be different from anyone else.

Yes, there was a change.

The change was a onetime thing. Good behavior does not change anything any further.

I want to behave better, not because any church or religion tells me to. I just feel good about myself when I do the right thing.

sorry for the off topic detour, Rat. You originally asked:

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In all the years...that creation science has been around, has there every been any solid (objective) evidence that the world was created?

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I think Percy summed it up rather well. There is no evidence.The church should be focused on helping people come to terms with their belief, but perhaps you should emphasize to them the difference between evidence and belief.Ask them to be unafraid to examine the arguments. Challenge them to debate the conclusions arrived at here. (Only if they insist that Biblical Creationism is an important issue...which I personally think its not. (Except to school teachers)

I don't follow the logic. How on earth could Peter have done more good by not loving Jesus?

Relative to what?Are you suggesting that God doesn't grade on the curve?

I guess I was assuming that IF Peter knew Jesus, how could he then do any more good by not loving Jesus.I can see where an individual who never knew Jesus could still do lots of good without having the need to know Jesus first.