Homosexuality and the bible: Round 2 - morality.

Hi, And the Hebrew word for 'know' is what?What is the difference between the Hebrew word for 'know' and the Hebrew word for 'to get aquainted' with? (is there a different word for each?)Can you demonstrate that in all the instances of the use of the Hebrew word 'know' it always means sexual relations?Once you answer these questions, perhaps we can disect the text a little more.Thanks and I look forward to your reply.Best Wishes.Brian.

To TheNewGuy03:So.....if homosexuality (attraction to opposite sex) DIDN'T came about from genetic factors, then WHERE did it come from? Care to shed some light, or do you believe it to be irrelevant?Patiently awaiting your reply.

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"Respect is like money, it can only be earned. When it is given, it becomes pittance"

Homosexuality is a fetish, much like every other abnormal sexual behavior.

The original Hebrew word has two connotations in the Bible. In this context, it means "to have sexual relations with." Not ALL instances of this word refer to sex, but in this case, it denotes that the men of the city wanted to know them. He offered his daughters in their stead, because the men were guests. The men wanted some ass.

Hi Newguy,Can I remind you that this is a public forum, accessible to people of all ages, this includes very young children.There is no need for the foul language in this, and other, posts. You profess to be a Christian philosopher, I do not think your foul tongue is worthy of one of the Lord's followers.Please try and modify your language.AdminBrian.

TNG03
I am curious is oral sex natural and moral or is it abnormal and immoral or does it just plain feel good?

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"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. "

Well, I haven't come to a conclusion on that. Most Christians would say "no" to that, but I need to verify that. It's not clearly pointed out in Scripture, so there is no conclusion on that. The only things that the Bible disapproves of are adultery, fornication (defined in some older dictionaries as "adultery"), homosexuality, and promiscuity (multiple partners). So...until findings are made on that, then it's fairly open.And a note to the Administrator:
If I offended anyone, I'm sorry, but I just don't think those words have anything wrong with it...it's not in Scripture, and it's not used to put curses on anyone, but it is dubbed a "curse word." That's all.This message has been edited by TheNewGuy03, 05-31-2004 11:58 AM

Then that means that you had to have had at least one other choice. Perhaps you are bi? You see, I never once even considered men to be sexually attractive. If you did and you opted for women, then why are you downing gays? Nope. As long as his partner treated him equal and loved him. Why would I "mind"? I would not care if he married a black gay Christian man! Just because I am neither black, gay or Christian, why would that bother me? Actually, he was.
That's why I was not raised by my biological father, he left. But in his defense, he did not know mom was pregnant, so it's cool. Not that he could have come back or spent time with me; he died in Nam.
He simply did what was expected of him; he slept with women. It was the late 60's and drugs and/or alcohol may have been involved, but regardless, here I am.
My existance proves your last statement wrong. Don't you ever tire of making absolute statements? All one has to do it find ONE exception and your point is invalid.

It is not emotional, just me following God's word.
Being gay is fun, just like all sin.A rocket scientist should be able to figure out how to grow food, hunt and fish and I'm sure there are some who actually do it. This is a prime example of you twisting words around.
They cannot have sex with themselves and produce a baby, why don't you understand that? I never said being moral requires God, you did, another word twist. ding ding! you win the prize.
Thats right stealing is against the law, being gay is not.
I already proved that a rocket scientist could survive if he had to, its an option for him. They do not harm me based on what they do.
If I vote on a law to support the going against of Gods will, it would then do me harm.
These are God's laws not mine.You still don't understand that. Wait you did not just say that did you? Your saying being gay is different? I thought they love each other just the way others do.
Whats up with that?Ok, now this is the last time I will go through this process of correcting the way you think, as it is now interfering with my busy life. Lets see how correct you are. I am typing this before I actually read the rest of your response, and I will go through them one by one.
If I judged anyone, I will suffer Gods wrath.Message 188, you took took out of context. The complete statement was: I said someone, not anyone in particular. I also believe this is correct, and not a judgement. again you took things out of context. I believe I gave the explaination behind this thought. It is a fact, not a judgement.I will correct myself by saying that I think its a bad idea, for me. Which is what I've been saying all along. I thought that was clear to you.
I cannot judge what others do. Some were created for honor, and some for dis-honor. God will judge those individually. This was a setup for you. I knew your response would be just what you did. You are smiling in your picture, but I wonder how much you really smile, as you could not detect the humor in that statement. When you call people names and talk the way you are talking there is a hint of anger in your words. You also are being sarcastic at times. You could state that you aren't angry, but evidently you are. This is not a judgement call, just a fact, like evolution It also has no effect on the way I would treat you in real life. And now for the real quote.. As I stated it was my opinion. I did this to give a chance to clear it up. Because I don't want to judge people. I said I was wondering, not judging.Message 40, again by the evidence you are depicting anger in your words. Just a fact, not a judgement. Please explain to me how this is judging someone?
Did you not infact write me a novel the very next day?
You fail to see the humor in this one also.
I was guessing, not judging, in a humorous way. Ok, here you are right. I was judging you. but to clarify the bible teachings about judgement.Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.So I called you awesome. I see nothing wrong with that. I would hope you call me awesome also. I was laughing when I said this, to show the humor of it. I also passed judgment onto myself exactly the same, in the spirit of Matthew 7:2. It was a joke, as indicated by the lmao. This also wasn't a judgement. I was repeating what you told me from another post. You said you won't tell us, because of a fear of being torn apart. This is a fact, again not a judgement. Now for the full quote How is this judging someone?
He doesn't believe, so I put the word "if" in there.
Then I go one to say, it is between you and him, NOT ME.You are the one judging by suggesting that he will go to hell. How could you know that. That is up to God to decide. He will be judged by God based on the life he has here on earth. He could be Gods favorite person for all I know.Way to go rhain, you tried to accuse me of judging, yet you are the one judging. Its ok, because you will be judged based on that. I forgive you for your sins against me.
I never judged anyone, anymore than I would have nyself judeged, which out of that whole thing you wrote, was twice.
Once I called you awesome, and the other I jokingly called someone nothing, but included myself in the nothingness. If you really read my posts, or understood my posts (not sure which one it is) you would understand why I will not support it.I also don't approve of using the bible to twist my words. That is an incorrect reference to the bible's stance on gay sex.If I was an admin, I would have stopped you from going so off topic a long time ago.
What does all this have to do with the original topic.
Why do you feel the need to stray off the topic so much?
Are you doing this for your own personal gain?
Are you doing it to put me down?
Are you doing it to put all people who believe in God down?
Are you doing it because you are gay?
Are you doing it to put God down?Let me clarify, I am not judging you, just asking you. Just in case you have difficulty understanding me.God bless you rhain.

Hi newguy,Thank you for your help.To other members: I have noticed in a few of the recent posts a trend towards using what I consider to be inappropriate language. If you are posting on the Bible accuracy and the Faith and Belief forums, can I ask you to keep the audience in mind?I know the use of a word such as 'sh*t' in certain sentences can be amusing, but let's not allow it to get out of hand.Cheers.AdminBrian

The unloving action you speak of is your judgement, correct?
Because I don't feel as though it is unloving. It couldn't have been more clear. Sorry if you don't get it, or feel differently.

Why do you have so much anger? You sound like you need to calm down.
I'll give your questions a try.
But you may not like them. As you pointed out, there are many definitions of love. But, as far as 'person to person' love, I love (agape) my wife AND I lust after her (eros); even after 15 years! (I married young).
I also respect (phileo) her. That's silly, but maybe it's because I do not understand the question. What's 'right with hetero sex? We do not plan on having anymore kids (I got snipped) but we have sex often. Should we stop because we cannot procreate? What does this mean? It sounds like "love the sinner, hate the sin". I never understood it; if you work with a gay man, do you act like he's your friend to his face, then trash him when he leaves? I'm sorry, the question appears to be too vague. Would you reword it? Thanks. I'm not aware that any school 'teaches' straight or gay sex. Sex Ed simply tries to teach students how to not get pregnant or an STD. They don't teach tecniques, lol! What do you mean? You are attempting to cram words into our mouths (Nothing's wrong with it, right?) and that will not work.
So what you are asking is, if we recognize a same sex union on the state and federal level, then next week we'll see some guy plowing his pooch on CNN? That is a fantastic leap in logic, my friend.
Who said "all behavior" should be allowed? See? You are asking a question on behalf of people that you disagree with, and try to tell us that they are our beliefs! D'oh!Next thing you know the gummint will be lettin' women vote and, blacks sit anywhere on the bus.

Ok rhain, lets go back to the first post and read.
The topic is directly relating to what the bible feels about gay sex.
Not what I feel about it.
I only said I won't support it based on the bible.So yes it is off-topic.Please state your exact reason for asking that question, because it is not on topic in the least, and borders on sexual harrasment.I think an admin needs to step in here.

You said this to your sister, about her son?
God, you are evil.

TNG03 Ok so if women are allowed to give men fellatio then what is wrong with men doing that to one another? If men are allowed to perform cunnilingus upon women what is wrong with women doing that to one another? Come to think of it is there any specific item in the bible against lesbians?
And if fellatio and cunnilingus are found by you to be against scripture will you then start a campaign to prevent straight couples from engaging in such acts?

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"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. "