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Author Topic:   The power of prayer: in action
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Message 195 of 304 (154060)
10-29-2004 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
10-29-2004 2:08 AM


Phatboy
On a strict scientific level, we have not proven the effectiveness of prayer beyond the same level as talking to plants makes them grow.
Sorry to bust the bubble Phatboy but the is no scientific evidence showing that talking to plants makes them grow.By your own admission the effectiveness of prayer amounts to zilch under investigation with controls.

[W]hen people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together

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Message 196 of 304 (154061)
10-29-2004 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by riVeRraT
10-29-2004 7:33 AM


riVeRrat
Statistical evidence that has happened to me since I got saved:
Physical change to my body(or peoples perception of has been warped),
Blessing after blessing after blessing poured out upon my business,
I suddenly find myself in a role of leadership for hundreds of people
The same could pretty much be said for Hitler.Indeed his leadership role exceeded yours.

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Message 197 of 304 (154063)
10-29-2004 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by riVeRraT
10-29-2004 7:35 AM


riVeRrat
Something happens to me physically when I am filled with the Holy Spirit, like nothing I have ever felt before. I cannot just explain that one away by calling myself crazy, but would you know, I even tried to.
What exactly is this physical effect that you speak of?

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Message 198 of 304 (154065)
10-29-2004 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by riVeRraT
10-29-2004 7:35 AM


riveRrat
Tell me how would you explain talking to someone you never meet before, then all of a sudden getting filled with the Holy Spirit, and a bunch of words pop into your head. You tell the person and then they start crying, and acknowledging everything you tell them. there's no way that is a human thing, there's no way I would ever be capable of that. I never did that in 39 years of living, all of a sudden I can tell people thier lives?
This happens when the Spirit wants it to happen, not when I want it too. when you meet people, sometimes when you start to know them better, you will ask them questions like, what drives you in life, or question peoples motives
For 39 years you never asked questions of people in this way? Now you do ,they answer you honestly because you actually pay attention to them and the worries and questions that they have {which are similar to your own}and you are amazed that you can understand that you have common ground with them? How is this miraculous and not merely you finally finding the courage to ask penetrating questions about people.I have done this quite often and yes people sometimes have said as much to me about this but it is certainly not because of something other than people needing someone to listen.
We do not gain leadership so much as people give it to us.

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Message 246 of 304 (154298)
10-29-2004 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by riVeRraT
10-29-2004 10:22 AM


riVeRrat
I really hate when smart people such as yourself, who know the bible, and what Jesus was about start using Hitler for a comparison in a religious arguement.
Hold on a moment son, leadership is not a matter of religious concern as I have already said it is something given to you by others not something gained. I am sorry if Hitler was too harsh a comparison however it works just as well if I were to compare you to,say,Tony Robbins.The point is that leadership is a matter not of divine intervention but of a personal choice on your part to change your own outlook and share that outlook with people looking for what you have to offer
I do apologize for the inappropriate analogy with a despicable character.

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Message 259 of 304 (154502)
10-30-2004 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by riVeRraT
10-29-2004 3:24 PM


riVeRrat
Go ahead, solve E=MC^2 and 2+2 in the same amount of time.
E=MC*2 means Energy and Mass are equivalent 2+2=4 Not that hard.

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Message 262 of 304 (154525)
10-31-2004 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by riVeRraT
10-30-2004 11:44 PM


riVeRrat
I think the actual numbers require a little more than what you put.
Nope. You just set C equal to 1 and the equation is E=M. Energy and Mass are different sides of the same coin.

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Message 266 of 304 (154586)
10-31-2004 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Percy
10-31-2004 8:07 AM


Percy
c is a constant. You can't set it to 1, but you can choose your units so that it is 1.
Thanks for the correction your are correct. I would like to discuss this further since there is something I need to clear up on this and I will debate you later as I must rush off to work today. Later.

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