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Message 3 of 183 (409798)
07-11-2007 10:45 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
07-11-2007 10:33 AM

Not at all sure of any reasoning here.

My question is,,, and I ask you to refrain from knee jerk responses, and preprogrammed by college answers,,,
Will you at that moment look to God, and maybe ask Him something?
You know, the one that doesn't exist?

Why would they?

What spawns it, is based on my belief that we were all created to worship God, and that given Jesus's death and the deposit of the Holy Spirit, we all know God, regardless of our religion.

You have never explained how someone could identify "the Holy Spirit", so how is that pertinent?

In addition, "we were all created to worship God" seems like a pretty small and worthless purpose that could only be the desire of a small and worthless god. If that actually is why people were created, why would anyone even care about such a picayune god?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 27 of 183 (409857)
07-11-2007 7:28 PM

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07-11-2007 6:44 PM

Re: Not at all sure of any reasoning here.

Did you or did you not say:

This question/topic is directed towards atheists, but anyone can answer.

in your Opening Post?

Did you or did you not ask:

Will you at that moment look to God, and maybe ask Him something?
You know, the one that doesn't exist?

in your Opening Post?

My question is, "Why would they ask a God they never believed in something, particularly on their death bed?"

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Message 71 of 183 (410135)
07-13-2007 11:12 AM

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07-13-2007 10:25 AM

Re: Created to Worship

The bible says Jesus came to save, not to judge, and we are to be like Him. So if people think that anything is a sin, they should only be worried about themselves, and whether they should be sinning or not. Not a single one of us can ever be like Jesus, and if Jesus didn't condemn people, then why should we?

Huh?

Why can't people be like Jesus?

The whole message of Jesus is to show what plain old humans can do.

If that is not the case, then all of Christianity is but a farce.

Having the Holy Spirit in us, means that we do know right from wrong. The temple is us, and we do not need to go to a temple to experience God.

I'm sorry, but just what is that based on? The Knowledge of Right and Wrong is the gift from the Garden of Eden, it has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit.

And what does any of that have to do with the question in the OP?

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Message 95 of 183 (410325)
07-14-2007 11:02 AM

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07-14-2007 10:52 AM

Re: Created to Worship

I was talking about all the time, not just once and a while.

And why can't people be just like Jesus all the time?

I agree jar, but if you believe in what Jesus did, then you should be believing in the Holy Spirit as well, and not need an explanation as to what it is.

Totally false. Even if you believe there is the Holy Spirit, you still need to test it to see if what you experience really is that critter.

The Holy Spirit convicts us when we do wrong, unless, as I pointed out, that we are deceived by the world into thinking we were right.

Which brings us to the question you never answer.

"How do you know it is the Holy Spirit?"

But on your death bed, you tend to drop the ideas of this world, and your mind is clearer, and probably closer to God, and the error of your ways will be made noticeable to you.

I'm sorry, but where did you present the evidence to support that? What exactly makes you think someone must be closer to God to have the errors of their ways made noticeable?

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Message 115 of 183 (410473)
07-15-2007 10:08 AM

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07-15-2007 6:52 AM

Re: Created to Worship

Which Jesus jar? Yours, or the one of the bible?
I will be fair and say that I do not know every single person that ever existed, so there is no way I could really know if it is true or not. But I have never met a person who could be like Jesus all the time.

But that doesn't answer the question. The question was "Why can't people be like Jesus?"

The reason Jesus became incarnate from the Virgin Mary and was made Man was to show us just what a plain old human can do. If one plain old human can do something, does that not mean others might as well?

jar said

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Totally false. Even if you believe there is the Holy Spirit, you still need to test it to see if what you experience really is that critter.

to which riVeRraT replied:

Oh, how do you do that?

You test the Holy Spirit just as you test God, against reason, logic and reality.

I never said you MUST be closer to God to notice.

Then what difference does it make? Why even bring up stuff like "Closer to God" as though it had any meaning other than nice line from an old hymn?

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Message 133 of 183 (410628)
07-16-2007 12:02 PM

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07-16-2007 11:54 AM

Re: Created to Worship

So, according to you, you cannot objectively prove the Holy Spirit.

I don't know. The question was, "How do you know that it is the Holy Spirit?"

I am still awaiting an answer to that from you.

Perhaps it is your hatred of christians, or the christian cult of ignorance, and the category you put me into.

I don't hate Christians, I are one. I do oppose the Christian Cult of Ignorance and the Christian Communion of Bobble-heads, but it is not I that put people into such categories, but rather what they say, write and do.

If you believe in Jesus, then stop calling Him a liar. He promised us the Holy Spirit. It is when we receive it that we become a witness of Jesus.

How do you know when you have received the Holy Spirit and that it really is the Holy Spirit.

Oh, and being closer to God, is always a good thing.

Why is it a good thing?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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