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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
How did the polar bears get to where they are now? Forget polar bears how about earth worms, slugs, blind shews or blind cave fish. It must be just one of those mysteries that we will just never know. The geographic differential delineation of lifeforms is one of the strongest evidence of evolution. This observation is both explained and required by evolution theory.
gasby writes: Also, I'm not here to try to refute the creationist position on this. For now, I just want to understand their reasoning Gasby, I suspect this will be a quiet thread, but I hope some YEC steps up to the plate as I am also interested.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
Actually marsupials originated in the America's but started to go extinct in the Miocene. Marsupials found their way to Australia, via Antarctica and flourished there to this day. Or so the theory goes based on the current record of fossils.
However, none of this takes away from the fact that there is species differentiation based on geographical isolation. Madagascar is perhaps a better example - Separated from Africa for some 170 millions years ago. Although there have been migrations (rafting events) something like 3/4 of the island's lifeforms are unique to the island. The equation is like this: Population + Separation + Long Time = Unique Lifeforms Noachian theories do not explain or predict this distribution.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
Just wondering how did earth worms propagated from continent to continent and across continents after crawling out of the ark? This is a good question for all locomotion challenged species.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
dwise1 writes: plants are much less mobile than animals are. So how did they migrate from eastern Turkey to their present localities Since no YECer is participating I will assume the role. I don't believe the current state of flood uhmmm err science postulates that seeds or plants were taken on board the ark. Seeds survived the flooding either floating on mats or withstood the emersion.
Such that so many species are native to those localities and are not native to any other locality? Even though they can flourish in so many of those other localities, as evidenced by their success when transplanted (eg, palm trees in So Calif., Russian weed (AKA "tumble weed") in the western US). Hmmmm.... The patterns of species distribution (biogeography) is obviously the result of errant floating mats that settled in isolated places.
Were the "more advanced" plants able to also uproot themselves and flee to the high ground? The more advanced plants just grew at the higher altitudes.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
Gasby, I nominate you for POTM for the fortitude and determination of slogging thru that list. I tried but quickly grew tired of reading post after post, straining credulity to the snapping point. I finally snapped. Thanks for the cliff notes version.
"super fast plate tectonic movements" That is one of my favorites. It is odd how some of these minor details just got left out of the story but the use of pitch to seal the ark was important enough for inclusion.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
We must be talking magic.
I don't know how you can equate deer swimming across a river to crossing thousands of miles of open ocean. In your theory just how did the blind and earless marsupial moles (in addition to a variety of earthworms) make it across - perhaps inside the pouches of kangaroos?
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
OK fine and dandy, i apologize, if i (we) misconstrued your point.
Now can you provide your explanation for the animals in Australia? What about the uniqueness of life in isolated places? (biogeography) What about mobility challenged and specialized life like blind and earless moles or blind cave fish? Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
RiverRat writes: people in here seem to be stuck on rebuking a point, that I did not make, I was very specific...If you can't see that, and you guys are the "experts" in supposedly trying to find out how an animal could have possibly got there, then it always makes me question the abilities of the so called "smart people" You stated that it "makes you think" and was "amazing" that deer are repopulating Staten island. We replied no it is not but perfectly understandable. No mystery at all. I for one, am not an "expert" in animal migrations. However it does not take an expert to understand the implications of biogeography and the impossibility of a kangaroo or kola bear swimming or rafting transoceanic.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
RiverRat writes: we have floating islands, that shift, and sometimes break free, and float the distance of the lake. These islands have a life of there own Indeed rafting is the explanation of out-of-place animal populations and migrations. For example, that is the explanation for the new world primates, i believe. However, larger fauna like the diprotodon weighing several tons presents a large problem. But the bigger and larger issue is the uniqueness of life in remote places. This effect is strongly represented in places like Hawaii, Australia, New Zealand (no mammals even) and Madagascar. If all life radiated from the middle east several thousands years ago there would strong evidence of this.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
RiverRat writes: Show me one thing that is not subjective.
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