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RAZD
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Message 76 of 86 (403989)
06-06-2007 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by ICANT
06-06-2007 8:34 AM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
As you know I believe in evolution up to the point of things becoming completely different other things.
But it has never been observed or reproduced where one thing becomes a completely different thing, and there are not enough fossils to prove that it has taken place.
Even your favorite horse chain has been said to be out of order.
These questions can be taken back to the original thread, as they are off topic here ...
It will prove if God exists. It will also prove if I chose the right set of beliefs and as I understand it there are 34,000 plus to chose from.
The problem is (1) publishing the result in a peer reviewed journal and (b) reproducing the result (are you sure only one religion is true?) ...
Check out my thread, The Literal Genesis Account of Creation. It might shed a little light on my faith and why I have it.
I'd need a link, I normally do not post on that side of the forum.
I know you are sincere in what you believe and I applaud you for admitting that there is faith involved in that belief. I also applaud you for stating that what you believe may be proven to be false.
Thanks. I don't feel the case for science needs to be overstated and that there is some tentativeness in every science, or in all knowledge for that matter. We do end up taking some basic concepts on faith in order to build the whole picture of knowledge, ruling out those that are shown to be false as we encounter them. This later part is crucial, as to ignore the contradicted concepts is not faith or knowledge but delusion.
Enjoy.
ps - love the duck. My mom (psychiatrist) once had a sweatshirt with a duck with backward feet, and under it said "mallard-justed")
Edited by RAZD, : ps

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ICANT
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Message 77 of 86 (404765)
06-09-2007 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by RAZD
06-06-2007 9:00 AM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
Ouch
Edited by ICANT, : Duplicate post

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 78 of 86 (404767)
06-09-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by RAZD
06-06-2007 9:00 AM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
The problem is (1) publishing the result in a peer reviewed journal and (b) reproducing the result (are you sure only one religion is true?) ...
RAZD, I love everybody, and from what I have read of the lake of fire I would not want to see anyone go there for a minute must less eternity.
But in all fairness to your question I have to say I believe there is only one way to heaven.
Let me put it this way: If there is a God, and He inspired the Bible, there is only one way. Jesus said: "I am the way the truth and the life."
You read much on here about what Christanity is and is not.
You read hardly anything that relates to what it is to be a born again child of the king.
To be born again you must believe God. That He is who He says He is and that He sent His Son to pay the sin debt for mankind. You have to believe He will do what He said He would do. Which is give you eternal life if you trust Him to do so. If you desire I could give you the scripture references.
I'd need a link, I normally do not post on that side of the forum.
I see you found it. And yes I am very old old old Universe. I believe you cannot find a number large enough to tell me how old the Universe is.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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RAZD
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Message 79 of 86 (404944)
06-10-2007 6:39 PM
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06-09-2007 5:35 PM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
RAZD, I love everybody, and from what I have read of the lake of fire I would not want to see anyone go there for a minute must less eternity.
But in all fairness to your question I have to say I believe there is only one way to heaven.
When it comes to religious dogma of any faith I tend to be atheistic, when it comes to other religion beliefs (original experiences, not dogma) I tend to be agnostic (I've had my own).
So when it comes to dogmatic assertions like you've made I am atheistic in response, but on the concept of heaven I'll remain agnostic.
Somehow the idea of an exclusive mindless fan club is not my idea of heaven, and this leads to the conclusion that there must be as many paths as there are people: each must find their own way. Some may take short-cuts, and some may need to try again (ie hell=reincarnation in some kind of buddhist christianity).
You read hardly anything that relates to what it is to be a born again child of the king.
All buddhists and hindus believe they have been born again. No big deal eh?
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : bornagain

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ICANT
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Message 80 of 86 (404956)
06-10-2007 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by RAZD
06-10-2007 6:39 PM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
I like the new outfit.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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RAZD
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Message 81 of 86 (405047)
06-11-2007 12:20 AM
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06-10-2007 9:03 PM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
Standard issue in this hospital. Or do you mean the strange skin rash I've developed ...

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pelican
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Message 82 of 86 (405193)
06-11-2007 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ICANT
06-09-2007 5:35 PM


Reality, myths and the imagination
I find that spending ones life ensuring one gets into a mythical heaven is such a waste of the one and only life we are aware of.
Believe me, I want to believe in heaven too. I have wanted to since my father was tragically killed many years ago when I was a child.
However, the truth is he died and he didn't come back. He was our family's strength and without him, we fell to pieces. We suffer from it still.
The thoughts or beliefs that he was in heaven did nothing to help a young widow with five young children. It did nothing to help my broken heart. My mother believed in god and she believed her husband's death was man's doing, not god's. I believe she was right and we are still doing it. We have to get real and look at what we are creating here and now.
The faiths and beliefs in God, heaven, hell, angels, spirits etc. could all very well be true but how does that help us create a better life now? We can only create in awareness (through consciousness) if we are to take control of our one life and our one world and our one human race.
Purely from my personal experiences I do believe in a creator but not a creator with rules and control over me. On the contrary, I believe the creator is the creative force (or energy) that is the essence of everything. I believe this force is the force of change and by god, you can't stop that, can you? Bless us all. Enjoy the ride.

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ICANT
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Message 83 of 86 (405449)
06-12-2007 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by RAZD
06-11-2007 12:20 AM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
Standard issue in this hospital. Or do you mean the strange skin rash I've developed ...
The strange rash that was on your chest looked like an s.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 84 of 86 (405451)
06-13-2007 12:03 AM
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06-11-2007 8:55 PM


Re:Force
I believe the creator is the creative force (or energy) that is the essence of everything.
I believe God is the essence of everything. Everything that exists in the Universe has its being in, by, and through Him.
Acts 17:28 (KJV) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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pelican
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Message 85 of 86 (405475)
06-13-2007 3:35 AM
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06-13-2007 12:03 AM


Re: Re:Force
I did not come to my conclusion through the bible or any other book. I reached this conclusion through my own personal experiences and do not need it verified, although I do think the act's quotation is spot on.
For me the emphasis lies with the force rather than the essence. I do not percieve this force as having a gendre as essence suggests, but a force that is all powerful and cannot be anything other than itself.
Edited by dameeva, : No reason given.

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Message 86 of 86 (405564)
06-13-2007 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by jessie
03-21-2007 12:55 PM


The Thin Red Line that separates Kadhish from being questioned
Hi SALVADEJAH,
Amen = Aemonáh = Emunah -- Hebrew -- = Fidelitate -- Ancient Roman -- = Fidelitá -- Modern Roman-Italian -- = Fidelity = constant permanence on remaining firm and true with regard to giving the right of precendency to the word from an only One.
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1st. - How can one make the distinction between 'do you believe? All is possible to him that believes' -- i.e. from the adulterated master copy that made famous the man's name Iesus Kristus -- which is not YHWH's name --,
and 'will you keep emunah to YHWH? All is possible to him/her that keeps emunah - [total right of precedency being given to YHWH]' -- Id Est a paraphrase from one's ascertaining on the ultimate compilation/proof founded into the Rock of Israel -- The Testimony of the Law and of the Prophets --,
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In order for one to ascertain the above distinction,
he/she has the option of investigating--inquiring this one first:
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2nd. - What is it that is being questioned -- asked or interrogated -- in the words 'do you believe', which is from the adulterated master copy that had been showing up with the man's name Iesus Kristus??
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If you remove the word 'you' from the question 'will you keep emunah to YHWH?' - the question will still hold the significance and meaning of
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'Will --the emunah to YHWH-- be kept?'
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But if you remove the word 'you' from the version 'do you believe' -- which was originated from the throne of the dragon,
then view it --,
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what is being questioned -- asked or interrogated -- is the following demonic question:
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'Is [YHWH's Kadhish -- Holiness] to be credited as true?'
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If considered that the word 'believe' spiritually means:
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'to have a final say with regard to worthiness of Holiness'
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and: 'to credit as true the things in the time that total sureness is not attributed to them',
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then, even if you keep the word 'you'-- the version from the adulterated master copy does spiritually still sound demonic:
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'What is your final say --or decision-- about believing in that?' - - 'will you credit -- YHWH's Kadhish -- Holiness -- as something true?'
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While responding with a question,
Is -- YHWH's Kadhish -- Holiness -- to be put in check, or questioned, in the first place??
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Is there not a thin red line that separates Kadhish -- Holiness -- from being questioned?
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Peace
and Emunah

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