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Eternal Life (thanks, but no thanks)

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Message 180 of 296 (587029)
10-16-2010 11:53 AM 		Reply to: Message 175 by Modulous
10-16-2010 10:38 AM

Re: Who are you?
Modulous writes:
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But why should I care about Modulous mk 2500?
Telling you that your afterlife will be "so much better" seems like a good way to lower your self-esteem. You can't hope to accomplish in this short, drab life what you can accomplish in a shiny new, eternal afterlife.
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It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's also a form of abuse.
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Message 182 of 296 (587035)
10-16-2010 12:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 179 by Phat
10-16-2010 11:43 AM

Re: Questions regarding eternity
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Whats the point of learning more about the universe, with the ability to journey farther, deeper, and longer...without the primary goal of Heaven, (aka eternal life version) which is to know and commune with God?
I like to go down to the lake and commune with the ducks. They're funny. They're all-terrain.
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They're in heaven right now. They do what they want to do.
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I probably learn more about them than they do about me. I doubt that they're interested in communing with me.
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Message 196 of 296 (587056)
10-16-2010 4:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 191 by Buzsaw
10-16-2010 3:41 PM

Re: Eternal Life In The Biblical Heaven Good; Biblical Alternative Bad
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Your response is one from the perspective of this temporal traumatic and world rife with strife, death, suffering and discontent.
But the afterlife that you envision doesn't eliminate the "strife, death, suffering and discontent". It just moves them down to the lake. How are we supposed to live a "perfect" life in heaven when we know that some of our best friends are worse off than they were on earth?
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You're just robbing Peter to pay Paul. How is Paul supposed to derive any satisfaction from that?
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10-16-2010 5:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 197 by frako
10-16-2010 4:49 PM

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ok then tell me what you would do on day 1 in hevan, then day 2......,year 1000 000 000.
Day 73: order more virgins.
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12-14-2010 11:15 AM 		Reply to: Message 255 by Just being real
12-14-2010 5:56 AM

Just being real writes:
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Think of the love you feel for the person on earth to whom you are the closest. The one person in your life who gives you the greatest joy and meaning to life.
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Now imagine an eternity separated from that love.
For some of us, you have the tense wrong. It should be, "were the closest," and, "gave the greatest joy and meaning."
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Often the memories of lost loves are the sweetest.
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"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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12-15-2010 12:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 261 by GDR
12-15-2010 11:47 AM

Re: What is 'science of the gaps'?
The difference is that religion retreats into the gaps. Science advances toward the gaps.
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12-16-2010 12:46 AM 		Reply to: Message 269 by Just being real
12-15-2010 10:23 PM

Just being real writes:
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Imagine the intensity of that love growing and blossoming more and more for an eternity.
More isn't necessarily better. When things have a definite end, we appreciate them more.
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"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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