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Phat
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Message 61 of 238 (317501)
06-04-2006 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Legend
06-04-2006 5:09 AM


Re: Our first EvC conversion?
Perhaps we are leaving out one thing. Bob expects you to put aside your agenda and love Him unconditionally. He won't make you do that, but you won't enjoy the club unless and until you trust Bob.
The first step is meeting Bob and the second step is trusting Bob.
Once that ice is broken, you will want to join the club!

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Brian
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Message 62 of 238 (317503)
06-04-2006 5:32 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Phat
06-04-2006 5:14 AM


Re: Our first EvC conversion?
the second step is trusting Bob.
But, why would you trust Bob when you know about His reputation?
I mean, would you trust a mass murderer who showed no pity to defenceless women and children?
Brian.

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Phat
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Message 63 of 238 (317504)
06-04-2006 5:48 AM
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06-04-2006 5:32 AM


Re: Our first EvC conversion?
Theoretically, your first impressions of Bob would not be tainted by second hand accounts of His eternal behavior(or interpretations thereof) we don't want to toss the Virgin Baby out with the 40 day and night bathwater, now do we?
Seriously, you bring up a good point. Just WHO is this God, anyway?
Do you really think that people will be judged at this 2nd Coming based on how they respond to the God described in the Bible and His 1st appearance?
What of the ones who never heard the story? Will they be given more slack or will they be cruelly and massively deported to fiery torment?

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Legend
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Message 64 of 238 (317506)
06-04-2006 5:55 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Phat
06-04-2006 5:14 AM


Re: Our first EvC conversion?
Phat writes:
Bob expects you to put aside your agenda and love Him unconditionally
I thought it was him who loves us unconditionally. I also thought they weren't any catches, we're invited we can come in.
Phat writes:
The first step is meeting Bob and the second step is trusting Bob.
?? I thought I could only meet him after I popped my clogs.
Now as for trust, it's a two-way street. One can only trust people one knows and who have proved they deserve this trust.
I think you meant to say 'the second step is having blind, unquestioning faith in Bob.'

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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ramoss
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Message 65 of 238 (317573)
06-04-2006 11:35 AM
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06-04-2006 5:14 AM


Re: Our first EvC conversion?
The thing is, that is a bad analogy.
No one has really 'met' Bob in the flesh. They all talk to him over their cell phones. You don't get to talk to Bob, unless you buy the proper cell phone plan. Not only that, you can't share cell phones with someone else, and no one can hear what you do on your cell phone.
Bob will promise you a lot of Goodies to you as soon as you leave town, but once you leave town, you can't go back, and you can't talk to anybody that is in town, so you don't know if the people that left town actually got their promised goodies. (well, that is what some people claim to have heard on their cell phone, but you can't really vcerify it for yourself.

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Message 66 of 238 (317577)
06-04-2006 11:44 AM
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06-04-2006 11:35 AM


Re: Our first EvC conversion?
sounds awfully like Hank.
Edited by CK, : typo.

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ringo
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Message 67 of 238 (317579)
06-04-2006 11:48 AM
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06-04-2006 5:14 AM


Phat writes:
The first step is meeting Bob and the second step is trusting Bob.
Once that ice is broken, you will want to join the club!
Trust has to be earned. When we start hearing rumours that Bob has mob connections and that a lot of his former "friends" are wearing concrete overshoes, we might not be so eager to buddy up with him.
Bob's button-man, iano, is essentially telling us, "Be Bob's friend, or else." What happens to people who turn Bob down?

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Phat
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Message 68 of 238 (317583)
06-04-2006 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Legend
06-03-2006 3:52 PM


Re: believe and be happy.
The nightclub exists whether or not you believe that it does. You just dont have to visit. This nightclub, (bad analogous example, btw)
means more than simply a "good time."
Legend writes:
he's bought in the dream, he just can't let go now or he'll have to go back into living a 'normal' life again where he'll be Average Joe, like the rest of us, and not a millionaire-heir like you very poignantly said.
I can see the argument where some of you emphasize that Christianity need not be an exclusive club. God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, yet He makes it clear that He loves ALL of us and that we are the ones locking ourselves out of the relationship.
Perhaps the idea of having to surrender our cherished freethinking is irksome. I know that even as a Christian, I occasionally chaff at realizing that God is not exclusively focused on ME but that He would rather that I start helping others instead of waiting around for more handouts.

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Phat
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Message 69 of 238 (317585)
06-04-2006 12:12 PM
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06-04-2006 11:48 AM


This is getting rather funny
Ringo writes:
Bob's button-man, iano, is essentially telling us, "Be Bob's friend, or else." What happens to people who turn Bob down?
People would never turn Bob down who have met Him. The ones who spurn Him because of the button-man will not be judged based on Iano. (his personality, and whatnot.) Say that I'm the new button-man and am trying to go and sooth disgruntled prospects. My pitch is different. I invite everybody to the club whether they care to get to know Bob or not.
If Bob is anything like His reputation, He will be known sooner or later. Then people can draw their own conclusions based on Bob and not on Iano or myself.

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ringo
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Message 70 of 238 (317600)
06-04-2006 1:29 PM
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06-04-2006 12:12 PM


Re: This is getting rather funny
Phat writes:
People would never turn Bob down who have met Him.
But, as others have already pointed out, we don't get to "meet" Bob until it's too late. When he meets you, Bob decides whether you're his "friend" or fish-food.
If Bob is anything like His reputation, He will be known sooner or later.
But Bob's reputation is the problem. He had a penchant for drowning people in the past. Now his henchmen are threatening to necklace anybody he doesn't like. Bob's people need to downplay his reputation, not brag about it.
Then people can draw their own conclusions based on Bob and not on Iano or myself.
But Bob wrote in his diary, "By their fruits ye shall know them." The only way we know Bob is by the people who surround him. We have East-Side Phat smiling and inviting us to the club, and Bent-Nose Iano jamming a gun in our ribs. What does that tell us about Bob's ability to choose his employees?
When Bob comes knocking on the door (for the second time), he has an uphill battle to convice anybody that he's just a "legitimate businessman".

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Legend
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Message 71 of 238 (317601)
06-04-2006 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Phat
06-04-2006 12:12 PM


Re: This is getting rather funny
Phat writes:
People would never turn Bob down who have met Him.
how do YOU know ?
Phat writes:
If Bob is anything like His reputation, He will be known sooner or later.
I'll be waiting with bated breath.
Phat writes:
Then people can draw their own conclusions based on Bob and not on Iano or myself
until then...

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 72 of 238 (317602)
06-04-2006 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ringo
06-04-2006 1:29 PM


spooky..
we both replied to the same Phat points at the same time saying approx. the same things.
you reckon it's God trying to draw us to him or something ?

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 73 of 238 (317604)
06-04-2006 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by CK
06-04-2006 11:44 AM


Hank's ass
quote:
sounds awfully like Hank.
brilliant stuff! I'll use it next time the missionaries come round.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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ramoss
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Message 74 of 238 (317617)
06-04-2006 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by CK
06-04-2006 11:44 AM


Re: Our first EvC conversion?
Indeed it does.

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Phat
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Message 75 of 238 (317660)
06-04-2006 4:41 PM
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06-04-2006 2:40 PM


Re: Our first EvC conversion?
The problem with Hank. is the author of the site. ( Reverend James Huber.) I don't see him being a Reverand, by the way...unless he got an online ordination at that universalist church of relative oneness, or some similar place!
He is a bit arrogant, (his right, I guess ) and asks rhetorical questions which DO have answers.
To Wit:
jhuger writes:
Please reconcile these two statements: "With God, nothing is impossible", "You can't be saved unless you accept Jesus as your savior."
Its obvious. with God, nothing is impossible. Without God, lots of things are impossible. We coould even start a spinoff thread on Huger, but I gotta go to work!

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