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coffee_addict
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Message 30 of 200 (100004)
04-14-2004 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
04-12-2004 12:35 PM


I hope it's ok for me to say something here.
If an seemingly powerful entity ever appear to me, there are many possibilities to consider besides God.
1. Could be an alien pretending to be the creator. You should see Stargate SG-1.
2. Could be a magician playing a trick on me.
3. Could be my own imagination or hallucination.
4. Could be a dream.
5. Could be a million other possibilities that I can't think of.
Whatever the situation is, I will immediately try to test the validity of this entity and, if necessary, take a trip to a mental institution.
I am not arrogant enough to assume that my senses are always 100% accurate. I always have doubt in everything that I see, hear, or do, including my emotional responses.
With that said, I am very very skeptical of claims that say something like "God only wants me to see him... I'm the chosen one and noone else...." If God is there and it absolutely wants us all to worship him and be its slaves, then please tell him to give the rest of us some kind of hint that can't be explained by any conventional method. No faith, please.
Regarding the conclusion of non-existence, until there is some kind of evidence that remotely suggest there is a God, we can't simply conclude that it exists. It's like saying somewhere out there, there is a planet that is made of cheese. Since we haven't been to many places in space, I suppose it's possible to have a planet made of cheese... not probable though. Just because it's remotely possible doesn't mean it exists!

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coffee_addict
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Message 32 of 200 (100082)
04-14-2004 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by mike the wiz
04-14-2004 8:55 PM


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I understand that you can not conclude he exists, is it more reasonable to conclude he doesn't exist? Do you conclude he doesn't exist? - Why is that more reasonable with our limited knowledge?
Going back to the planet that is made of cheese, for now, I will conclude that there is no such planet. If I have to conclude that everything that we've ever imagined exists, then the tooth fairy, along with the easter bunny, along with santa clause, along with the 7 dwarfs and snow white should really exist also.
The lack of evidence in something suggest that it doesn't exist for now. Like I said before, if we start having hard evidence that God exists, I will be more than happy to change my conclusion.
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This is why my prayers are a good example. If you want something that can only happen outside of your senses, then you will know that it is not yourself "making it happen". If I prayed for say - freedom, and recieved it, that cannot be caused by delusion.
If you prayed for freedom and got it, there are many many explanations that can be used to explain why or how you got freedom, not just God. With this said, I challenge you to pray for end in world hunger and actually have that prayer answered. There is a first step to making me accept there is a higher power out there.
By the way, it is not proof that God exists if an alien race from the planet Vulcan makes contact with Earth and help us wipe out world hunger 200 years from now.

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coffee_addict
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Message 34 of 200 (100088)
04-14-2004 10:06 PM
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04-14-2004 9:30 PM


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So then you think for now, there is no alien life in the universe, and no other possible earth-like planets? Lack of evidence is not necessarily helpful to a conclusion.
This is why alien abduction stories are not taken seriously by mainstream science. About life on other planets, no scientist in his right mind would say there are life on other planets. We can hope that there are life on other planets, we can theorize that there are life on other planets, we can even write stories and make movies saying there are life on other planets, but for now there is no evidence that there are life on other planets or moons.
You kinda lost me in your last paragraph there.

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coffee_addict
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Message 52 of 200 (100257)
04-15-2004 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by SRO2
04-15-2004 10:17 AM


Re: Statistically there is.
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Raw statistics indicate that not only is there life on other planets, there is also intellegent life on other planets. If Microbrial life is discovered on Mars, those statics should increase exponentially.
I've seen the so-called math work on this so-called stats before. They based the whole thing on the premise that Earth-like planets are abundant throughout the universe, and they actually came up with the percentage. Don't ask me how they came up with this number. Must be God...
But anyway, like Ned said, if you put an imaginary number in, you're going to get an imaginary number out. Like my computer programing instructor always say, if you input garbage you are going to get more garbage as an output.
I am not saying that there is no alien life out there. I am hopeful that there are. However, I'm being objective here by only considering the data and evidence that we have so far, not make-belief stuff.

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coffee_addict
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Message 54 of 200 (100259)
04-15-2004 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by mike the wiz
04-15-2004 10:56 AM


I'm done talking with you, Mike. I can understand now that we are opperating on completely different levels of human thought.
I am an objective person. In order for something to be considered evidence to me, it has to work everytime and it has to be recognized by other people. Believe me that I have my own biased beliefs. However, I try my best not to let it influence my logic. Like I said, I do not trust my senses if other people can't see the dead girl that stands in my room all day. To me, personal evidence just isn't enough to establish truth. I strongly encourage people to be objective in their thought process and approach everything with an unbiased mind. However, I can't make them believe that this dead girl is there even though I'm the only person that can see her, unless I can make her make things float around....
However, if you feel that it is enough for you, have a nice life.

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coffee_addict
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Message 55 of 200 (100260)
04-15-2004 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by SRO2
04-15-2004 4:08 PM


Re: Statistically there is.
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Statistics is never to be considered solid empirical data, they are just odds. I've seen all the latest models...and it's true you get out what you put in...but with each new planet discovered, the probability numbers go up.
There, you said it. They are just probabilities. Even though I don't even buy it, probabilities doesn't mean truth. If you are the least scientific, you should know that scientists can't say "we know there are alien out there" simply because some probabilities cranked out from imaginary numbers say so.

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coffee_addict
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Message 59 of 200 (100268)
04-15-2004 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Brad McFall
04-15-2004 4:22 PM


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The Bible works more often than science. Just now for instance I was being asked if I was suspect of doing something wrong as there is apparently someone suspicious in the school. This does not apply to truths in the Bible. They will be true whether I was the wanted person or not or was the dead "girl" in the corner. It works every time. Science and society does not.
Dude, are you drunk?

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coffee_addict
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From: Indianapolis, IN
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Message 73 of 200 (100746)
04-18-2004 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by mike the wiz
04-18-2004 2:16 PM


Re: Brad riding shotgun on the magical tapeworm called wisdom
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God said do not eat swine in the Old Testament, and
God created the tapeworm - yes! But did he intend it for humans? - No. Did he intend the lions to eat humans - No.
Uh... pork isn't the only way you can get tapeworm.

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