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jt
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Message 169 of 200 (105965)
05-06-2004 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by RingoKid
05-06-2004 10:49 AM


Re: IOI
Your truth may differ from somebody elses
RingoKid, I am not sure if you mean that your perception of the truth migh be different than somebody elses, but the actual truth does not change whether you believe it or not.
Take leprachauns, for example. Say my uncle Ted believes they exist, and my aunt Sue believes that they don't exist. Are they both right?
No, one of them is wrong. We don't know which one is wrong (although I have my opinion ), but that doesn't mean they are both right.

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jt
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Message 181 of 200 (106340)
05-07-2004 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by RingoKid
05-07-2004 2:50 AM


Re: JT
reality far removed from yours yet it is no less valid than yours
I think you misunderstand the word "reality." Merriam-Webster's online defines reality as:
the quality or state of being real
It defines "real" as:
having objective independent existence
By definition, there is only one reality, which is has an objective (meaning it exists whether anyone believes it or not), independent (of who believes it or not) existence.
I do not have "my reality" and you do not have "your reality." What you and I have is an opinion of what reality is. This opinion is shaped by fallible sensory input of a small portion of reality, so yes, we cannot necessarily know what "reality" is. It is a non sequitor to go from the premise "I can't know what it is like" to "It doesn't exist."
I think you are saying "reality" but meaning something different. Could you give a definition of the concept you are talking about when you say "reality"?

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jt
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From: Upper Portion, Left Coast, United States
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Message 183 of 200 (106469)
05-07-2004 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by RingoKid
05-07-2004 8:36 PM


Re: JT
Your definition is the same as the dictionary definition of surroundings, except with a little more detail. "the circumstances, conditions, or objects by which one is surrounded is how m-w online defines surroundings.
and your truth if you hold fast to it might not ensure your survival in my reality
You need to use a dictionary more.
"Truth" is defined as "the body of real things, events, and facts, and I already gave the definition for reality. There is not a varying truth; truth is the facts and things that are real. I do not have a different truth than you, you do not have a different reality than me.
What do you mean by survival? Would I die if my consciousness was put in your body and I had to deal with your "reality"?
You are using all the wrong words to say what you mean. It is as if you are using words as analogies or something.
I'm sure you have good, significant things to say, you just need to figure out the right words to say them.

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jt
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Message 187 of 200 (106610)
05-08-2004 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by RingoKid
05-08-2004 12:47 AM


quibbling over semantics and for what purpose ???
Because your meaning wasn't clear. The way you were using the words didn't make sense. Your opinions would have a much greater affect on people if they could understand better what you were saying.
It appears that I've annoyed you, for which I apologize. I am not trying to invalidate your opinions on basis of semantics. I'm just trying to understand you opinions, and help you make your opinions more understandable for everbody else, too.

Benoit Mandelbrot is not a type of wine.

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