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Author Topic:   Importance of Innerrancy to Moderate Christians
Legend
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Message 78 of 158 (336300)
07-29-2006 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
07-29-2006 10:43 AM


Re: INERRANCY
faith writes:
The books that the believers recognized as authentic by the Holy Spirit are the ones that were unconditionally accepted.
so, in other words, you're saying you're putting your faith in those early believers' decision instead of God.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 81 of 158 (336304)
07-29-2006 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
07-29-2006 10:43 AM


Why absolutes ?
faith writes:
What basis do you have to trust any of it if it all isn't trustworthy? What basis do you have not to trust any of it?
The same basis you have for filtering out any information that's fed to you in your everyday life, i.e. you assess its plausibility based on experience and evidence.
example:
your arrive for work late one day and you claim it was because of terrible traffic on the road. Does your boss believe you ? probably yes.
your arrive for work late one day and you claim it was because you were abducted by aliens. Does your boss believe you ? highly unlikely.
Now, would you expect your boss to believe every single story you tell him ? I don't think so. Similarly, you wouldn't expect him to reject off-hand everything you tell him either. You'd expect your boss to assess and judge the credibility of what you tell him on an individual basis, wouldn't you?
why then do you expect everyone else to judge the bible on an absolute basis, as either all true or all false ?

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 85 of 158 (336310)
07-29-2006 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Faith
07-29-2006 11:48 AM


Re: INERRANCY
faith writes:
If you can't trust the Holy Spirit in God's believers you can't trust anything else you think is the Holy Spirit either.
?? just because you're unable to discern other people's motivation doesn't mean that you can't decide for your self what's good or bad, right or wrong.
you have no idea why the Ecumenical Councils decided what they decided. They might have been guided by the Holy Spirit, they might have been guided by the Devil himself, although you'd like to think the former.
If you unquestionably believe their decision to be the right one then you're putting your faith in those men and your whole life therafter will be based on what those men decided is good for you, not what God points out to you through his direct and unaltered creation.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 89 of 158 (336319)
07-29-2006 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
07-29-2006 12:08 PM


Re: INERRANCY
faith writes:
know because I too have the Holy Spirit and do not put my trust in men or I'd trust all the modern scholars who are constantly disrupting the traditional Bible.
you don't trust them because you think they're wrong or because they are constantly disrupting the traditional Bible' ?
Edited by Legend, : misquote

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 94 of 158 (336347)
07-29-2006 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
07-29-2006 12:35 PM


Re: INERRANCY
Legend writes:
you don't trust them because you think they're wrong or because they are constantly disrupting the traditional Bible' ?
Legend writes:
Both. They're synonymous really.
so, in your view, if one goes against the traditional Bible they're wrong .
Your standard of truth is the traditional Bible, as canonised during the Ecumenical Councils, by the early church fathers.
I have to maintain then that you are putting your faith in those men who canonised the Bible, putting their judgement above everything else, including God's direct and unaltered Creation and also his unique gift of critical thinking.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 96 of 158 (336367)
07-29-2006 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
07-29-2006 1:29 PM


Re: INERRANCY
Faith writes:
The one we have now, the 66 books now, 39 OT and 27 NT, which I don't think was quite what they had then.
fair enough, but still the direct work of men not God.
Faith writes:
And that process involves critical thinking, by the way. It just disagrees with non-Holy-Spirit-inspired critical thinking
I strongly suspect that to you the definition of 'non-Holy-Spirit-inspired critical thinking' is any thinking that dosn't agree with you or the Canonical Bible.
Faith writes:
Trusting in the mute Creation over words designed to be understood by the human mind makes no sense but it's advocated here frequently as if it did.
Mute creation?! I don't think so. Just looking at a tree trunk can tell you dozens of things , from its age to climatic variations throughout the years.
Words have different meanings and interpretations, why do you think there are thousands of Christian denominations all based on the Bible but believing different things ?
Physical laws, on the other hand, are applied and understood the same by all people at all times at all places on earth.
IF only the same could be said of the Bible!
if God chose the Bible to convey his message then he either got it very wrong or doesn't care at all about everyone understanding his message.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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From: Wales, UK
Joined: 05-07-2004


Message 111 of 158 (336976)
07-31-2006 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by LinearAq
07-31-2006 12:16 PM


Re: INERRANCY
LinearAq writes:
qualitatively minor? Like the difficulty between the Southern Baptists and Assembly of God denominations on the use of "tongues"?
that's just the tip of the iceberg. We're talking major concepts here, like "how do we get saved?" or "how many Gods are there?" or "was Jesus man or God or both?" There are conflicting views on this amongst groups who all call themselves Christian and consider the Bible as their holy book.
Other than that, the Bible's meaning is universally the same, according to Faith.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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