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Author Topic:   Importance of Innerrancy to Moderate Christians
iano
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Message 120 of 158 (337179)
08-01-2006 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by truthlover
07-29-2006 2:10 AM


Re: Two important questions needs to be answered.
truthlover writes:
I was moved by the idea that this man Jesus lived with 12 men for over three years, then after he died they were willing to give their lives for him. Along with some other things that were happening in my life at the time, that thought intrigued me enough for me to begin to believe that he might really have been the Son of God.
truthlover writes:
Jesus used the Scriptures to back up his message, but in the end he said that the love of his disciples for one another and their incredible unity would be what would cause people to believe (Jn 13:34,35 and 17:20-23)
Some saw the miracles and believed. One hung on a cross beside Christ and believed. Yet another rode on a road to Damascus and believed. You were impressed by this man Jesus. The power of the gospel can work through all kinds of devices - including Christian unity. Unity is not the only way for a person to come to belief.
It seems to me that if the Bible is not taken as inerrant at least in places then you had no reason to be impressed by this man and his 12 disciples. And if you have some mechanism with which to detect that which you suppose to be accurate and that which you suppose not to be accurate then you have reason to suppose the mechanism you employ to be inerrant in deciding these things for you - which you presumably do not. 'agnosticism' on the issue of inerrancy seems a safer bet if you cannot be sure either way.
There might not be a need for it to be inerrant in your view. But would it do any harm if it was?
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 141 of 158 (337275)
08-01-2006 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Faith
08-01-2006 6:40 PM


Re: Recognizing truth
I hate my spending so much time at evc sometimes
Me? I view it as an addiction. It seems to me (for me) to have all the classic hallmarks of one.
- inability to say no. A certain powerlessness.
- diminishing returns: the good wears off and you are left with a hollowed out shell (Screwtape describes how Satan applies addiction nail-on-head).
- guilt (Satan too).
- occasional highs of old just to keep the hook in. Especially when one gets to thinking "something smells".
- putting up with heavily cut gear (in the form of poor posts) for the sake of a fix.
- being defensive and irrational when it comes to facing the fact it is an addiction.
I could go on but it seems clear enough to me. I imagine that EvC is the perfect home for an argumentitive, self-righteous nature. And half the solution to any problem is realising one has one in the first place. I imagine to that the solution is relatively straightforward. No more EvC. Does that feel like a huge loss? Then for sure it is addiction!
Whenever you say sis, lets both decide on a day to exit. And stay away. It may be that (as Screwtape once said) "its as simple as that". We can spend the time praying for each other. If not his will then we can expect all the assistance of one who loves us not a jot less for our addiction.
We cannot serve God and Mammon.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 145 of 158 (337287)
08-01-2006 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by ringo
08-01-2006 8:07 PM


Re: Recognizing truth
Thats what I said.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 146 of 158 (337292)
08-01-2006 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Faith
08-01-2006 8:08 PM


Re: Recognizing truth
You (and me) have the frustration re: your (and my) spiritual life already. And you and me know it. "Your (and mine) addiction" is patently a big factor in it. No doubt about it as far as I am concerned. The conviction is there just not the power.
I'm prepared to pray and fast alongside you. I'll mail you tomorrow on it. Am off to bed soon and I haven't really thought it through. But I am convicted as I need to be. This is Mammon.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 148 of 158 (337301)
08-01-2006 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by ringo
08-01-2006 8:26 PM


Who the fuco is tuco and why, pray tell, should I give a rats ass about what he has to say?
(Gee: this Lord-of-all bashing is FUN!)
Wasting bandwidth. Now thats funny!

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