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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4946 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
all i can say is, inherent self contradictions are pretty big on my list. at least it doesn't have anachronisms, does it?
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4697 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's the crux of the issue, isn't it? How do I recognize when I am misreading or following my own flesh? What's the tell-tale sign or variety of signs?
Even following the Holy Spirit we may misread Him, or revert to following our own flesh from time to time without recognizing it. But I have no doubt that a sincere persistent seeking for God's will on any question will eventually be answered.
If we have been sincerely persistently seeking God, yet "misreading" or "following our own flesh...without recognizing it", how do we know that, this time, the interpretation is correct?Wouldn't it be particularly difficult for us, if we have spent years in a "misreading" state, to recognize the true interpretation by the Holy Spirit? What type of corroborating evidence or feeling does the Holy Spirit give us that tells us "This time you got it right"? To address the topic, sort of:Why is inerrancy so important when our Guide into the meaning of the Bible can be misread so easily and we don't even know when we are misreading Him? Why is the "literal" interpretation so important when our Guide is easily misunderstood or subverted by our unrecognized fleshly desires? How do you "know" you haven't been misreading Him for a number of years?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do you consider yourself a believer? Do you trust in Jesus Christ to save you from your sins? Do you have the Holy Spirit? If not, or you don't know, then I don't think anything I can say in answer to your questions could mean anything to you. I will say, though, that I am aware when I'm out of touch with the Holy Spirit. I know when I'm confused and not hearing reliably. Sometimes I don't know what to do to recover from it. Sometimes nevertheless He will do something that shows me He is still with me, and I know it comes from Him.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I am a believer. I believe that GOD has not damned anyone and that Jesus has told us what we need to do. I believe that the Holy Spirit lives within me and helps guide me.
Perhaps you can explain it to me. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You don't meet the criteria I gave for Linear.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, perhaps by you explaining why I don't meet the criteria, folk may get an understanding of just what the criteria is.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You don't believe Christ died to save you from your sins.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, I believe that GOD forgives sins, and that Jesus lived among us as a human to bring us that message and that as a human, Jesus was going to die.
Can you explain to me how GOD creating himself as a human to kill himself to pay himself for something he can freely give makes any sense? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not interested in arguing with you about it. It's off topic here in any case. That's the criterion, that's all. You don't meet it.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But you have not yet explained why I cannot recognize truth. So far all you have said is that YOU have this magic knowledge and others do not.
You have not explained why I cannot recognize truth. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't say you couldn't recognize truth. Actually I tend to think, to use your own phrase, that you willfully deny the truth.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay, so you think I am capable of regognizing truth. Is that correct?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AlienInvader writes: at least it doesn't have anachronisms, does it? I'm sure it does. Jesus' birth itself is something of an anachronism, isn't it?Was He born in year x of Y's reign, or while Z was still alive? But the question here is "What difference does it make?" Does an anachronism in a story make that story less valuable?I would think that the true value of any story transcends time. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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truthlover Member (Idle past 4080 days) Posts: 1548 From: Selmer, TN Joined: |
then you have reason to suppose the mechanism you employ to be inerrant in deciding these things for you There's a difference between inerrant and reliable. I don't consider my local mechanic inerrant, but when he told me what needed to be done on my car's a/c, I believed him. Inerrant, in this discussion, is a doctrine that says that every word of the Bible is scientifically and historically accurate. It's clearly not, because the sky is not as hard as a brass mirror (Job 37:18), and it is not a hard dome supporting water and having the sun, moon, and stars in it (Gen 1:7,14-17). Correct? I believe the Bible is correct on a lot of things. In fact, since I believe that the Scriptures are "breathed by God and profitable for instruction in righteousness," there are ways in which I believe it is infallible. However, the public claims of inerrancy made by those who believe in word for word inspiration I reject as obviously not true.
There might not be a need for it to be inerrant in your view. But would it do any harm if it was? No. It would be a pretty awesome phenomenon if it were. But it's not.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know if you're capable of recognizing truth, jar, all I said was that I hadn't said you aren't.
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