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Author Topic:   What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator
mikehager
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Message 159 of 300 (295353)
03-14-2006 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by robinrohan
03-12-2006 9:11 PM


Logic?
I find it interesting that in 11 pages of wrangling the most simple point concerning RR's position has been neglected. As I understand it, RR's position is that certain points of the TOE (principally the well documented transitionals) provide logical proof that there is no deity.
RR is, unfortunately, completely incorrect and the error would seem to stem from a complete misunderstanding of what logic is and what it can do. For instance, it is important to remember that it is impossible to prove a negative. No supporting logic can support the propositionm that there is no god. Logic just doesn't work that way.

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mikehager
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Message 161 of 300 (295359)
03-14-2006 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Faith
03-14-2006 8:47 PM


Re: Logic?
Perhaps I was unclear. I doubt it, but it could have happened.
I was address one point and one point only. The claim that RR is making is not logical. That doesn't mean it is incorrect, merely that it cannot follow from his premises. You too, Faith, seem to be quite unclear on what logic is and what it can and can't do.
What you are proposing would look like this:
Where A is the TOE and B is the existence of Faith's concept of a deity,
P1. If A then not B.
P2. If B then not A.
Not A, therefore B.
The conclusion is the same as the propositions. That is what is called circulus in demonstrando, or circular argument.
Remember that this doesn't mean you are factually incorrect, just that your argument is faulty. Your conclusion does not follow.
Finally, on a personal note (and with full knowledge of the risks I run of suspension), it is tiresome to yet again be subjected to your lament that your arguments are not duly considered by those who read and respond to them, that they fall on "deaf ears". It may be wise for you to consider instead that your ideas have been heard, considered and with good cause rejected.

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mikehager
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Message 204 of 300 (296022)
03-16-2006 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by veiledvirtue
03-16-2006 12:26 PM


Here we go again...
Apparently this refrain is one I will never be able to escape...
...but deep inside, (this is where you have to be honest with yourself, some people have a hard time in this area)you have the answers
The idea that you, veiledvirtue, can know what knowledge I or anyone else has "deep inside" is simply false. You don't know, and you have no right to make that claim.
What, exactly, makes you think that you can state with authority what lies in other people's minds?

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mikehager
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Message 206 of 300 (296024)
03-16-2006 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by robinrohan
03-16-2006 4:26 PM


Re: Here we go again...
VV's remark was a comment on the human condition, comparable to saying something like "All men have souls."
I will await his clarification on what he meant, should he feel it needed.

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