What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator

You make a lot of logical leaps of reasoning which most of us don't see as being sound.This is as good an example of any.You don't know what God's design is and if you did and could back that up you'd have to show the connection between that design and any particular evidence disproving his/her/it's existance.None of which I've noticed in this thread; which, admittedly, I've not followed closely.

The can be a fall as the Catholic official position seems to believe.As I read what the CC has stated regarding evolution God used evolutionary processes to gradually create Man's physical form. Then he instilled some sort of spirit or soul into that form. At least that is my reading of the church's position.The Genesis account may be describing that. The fall is only possible for a creature with a soul and aware of good and evil. This is, as is used by various Christians from time to time a "spiritual fall".Now we have foreknowledge of our own fate and the terror that goes with that. Before we reached the point of enough sentience we didn't have that.What that point is becomes an interesting discussion point. Was it about 40 to 60 k years BP when we apparently made a jump to language, culture, etc?Was it 200,000 years ago when the first archaic forms of H. sapiens arose?Was it 2 to 5 M years BP when creatures at least as smart and aware as a chimp arose?Was it 30 to 50 M years ago when some mammals became aware enough?

It appears to me that animals have sentience in varying degrees and can feel pain.It appears that most churchs, through the centuries haven't cared much one way or the other if animals or "other" humans can feel pain or not. I'd say that says more about the churchs than any god.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 03-14-2006 11:55 PM