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Topic: What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator
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robinrohan
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Message 211 of 300 (296047)
03-16-2006 5:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 210 by jar
03-16-2006 5:51 PM
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Re: What do you think.
So you keep asserting. I didn't just assert it. I provided a solid argument.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think: Jar the "Theist"
Yeah Ray.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
One that has been refuted numerous times. I'm sorry robin, but the fact that I accept the TOE and also believe in GOD, the Christian GOD refutes your assertions. QED
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Chiroptera
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Message 214 of 300 (296052)
03-16-2006 6:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 208 by Trixie
03-16-2006 5:39 PM
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Re: What do you think: Jar the "Theist"
Hi, Trixie. Herepton believes that not believing in God is punishment from God...for not believing in him.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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robinrohan
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Message 215 of 300 (296055)
03-16-2006 6:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 213 by jar
03-16-2006 5:56 PM
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Re: What do you think.
One that has been refuted numerous times. I'm sorry robin, but the fact that I accept the TOE and also believe in GOD, the Christian GOD refutes your assertions. That's like saying, because I believe the sky is green, your argument that the sky is blue is thereby refuted.
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AdminAsgara
Administrator (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: 10-11-2003
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Off Topic
Do you think we can keep this topic off jar and on "What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator?"
AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe
http://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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iano
Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Re: What do you think.
Go on Robin, forget Jar and the perennial 1 or 2 liner bait. I'm enjoying reading you this last while. Tell us what you think of it all... (oops just about 2 lines of bait) This message has been edited by iano, 16-Mar-2006 11:27 PM
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robinrohan
Inactive Member
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Re: Off Topic
What on earth are you talking about? I'm directly on the topic.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
No,you have said that a acceptance of evolution rules out a creator. I point to an individual who accepts evolution and belives in a creator. Therefor, accepting evolution does not rule out a belief in a creator. QED. In addition, as I have pointed out many times before: If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence that rules out Her existence. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of any evidence that proves Its existence.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan
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Message 220 of 300 (296063)
03-16-2006 6:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 219 by jar
03-16-2006 6:26 PM
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Re: What do you think.
No,you have said that a acceptance of evolution rules out a creator. I point to an individual who accepts evolution and belives in a creator. Therefor, accepting evolution does not rule out a belief in a creator. OK, let's look at these statements. You will notice that there is a difference between your first statement and your third statement.
you have said that a acceptance of evolution rules out a creator. This is correct. Now notice the third statement:
Therefor, accepting evolution does not rule out a belief in a creator Do you notice a difference? I do: you went from "rules out a creator" to "rules out a belief in a creator." I say evolution rules out a creator: I do not say it rules out a "belief in a creator." Anybody can believe anything, Jar. I can believe the sky is green if I like. My view is that the belief in Christianity and in evolution at the same time is illogical, whether you and 100 million Catholics believe it or not. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 03-16-2006 05:37 PM
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
Whatever robin. Sorry but IMHO you are spouting shere nonsense, babble. Humans can never have anything except a belief in GOD. We cannot know for sure and anyone who says that they know for sure is simply fooling themselves.
My view is that the belief in Christianity and in evolution at the same time is illogical, whether you and 100 million Catholics believe it or not. And that is fine. No one cares about your beliefs. You are free to believe anything. I have no problem with you holding that belief and as long as you state it as a belief, I would not object. It is only when you start staing it as fact that I even bother to answer. There, you are 100% wrong. In addition, as I have pointed out many times before: If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence that rules out Her existence. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of any evidence that proves Its existence.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano
Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 222 of 300 (296067)
03-16-2006 6:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 221 by jar
03-16-2006 6:42 PM
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Re: What do you think.
We cannot know for sure and anyone who says that they know for sure is simply fooling themselves. How do you know that?
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robinrohan
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Message 223 of 300 (296068)
03-16-2006 6:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 221 by jar
03-16-2006 6:42 PM
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Re: What do you think.
No one cares about your beliefs You never know. Somebody might.
It is only when you start staing it as fact that I even bother to answer. There, you are 100% wrong. I'm not sure about this "belief"/"fact" disjunction you've got going. Obviously if I believe something I think it's a fact; otherwise I wouldn't believe it. So I BELIEVE it is a FACT that evolution rules out God. What we do on this board is build arguments and counter-arguments. I have built an argument and it's up to you or somebody else who does not believe it to refute it by building their own argument, not by saying, "Well, I believe in both Christianity and evolution, and therefore you are refuted." That's not an argument.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
I'm not sure about this "belief"/"fact" disjunction you've got going. Obviously if I believe something I think it's a fact; otherwise I wouldn't believe it. So I BELIEVE it is a FACT that evolution rules out God. LOL Thank's Robin. That's a jewel. I could not have asked for greater support for my position.
What we do on this board is build arguments and counter-arguments. I have built an argument and it's up to you or somebody else who does not believe it to refute it by building their own argument, not by saying, "Well, I believe in both Christianity and evolution, and therefore you are refuted." That's not an argument. Yup. You present your best support of your position. I present my best support of my position. And the readers will make up their own minds. I can certainly live with that.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 225 of 300 (296070)
03-16-2006 7:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 222 by iano
03-16-2006 6:47 PM
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Re: What do you think.
jar writes: We cannot know for sure and anyone who says that they know for sure is simply fooling themselves. to which iano replies:
How do you know that? Because GOD is beyond proof and verification. We can believe in Her, believe very strongly, but we cannot know. Once we've died we may find out, but until then I'm happy with just a belief.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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