What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator

Again, Jar, my friend, I'm not saying you're being wilfully ignorant, but I've posted a number of Biblical prophecies over the years which you've rejected as such. Your concept of God seems to be some she or it who is incapable of miracle, unlike, him, the Biblical supernatural God.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

The thread is about evidence of God. Right? I'm saying ones who know him have evidence that unbelievers are not aware of and that unbelievers also have evidence which they reject, such as the prophecies.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

Yup. It's an easy substitute for having to think about your faith. And it is all so pointless because in the end, it doesn't prove a damn thing either way and just makes the folk promoting them look silly.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yup, you do keep saying that. That's fine buz. I know you believe that. But you see, I happen to be a believer and yet every single prophecy you have ever presented has not held up to examination. If you think you have something that might fly, start yet another thread on it. Who knows, maybe it will be supportable.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

As one who was were Robin is, I shiver at the sense of deja vu. There are direct parallels w.r.t 'getting it globally' whilst being permitted protection along the way by way of paper tigers, in this case "Evolution is proven by the fossil record" My own paper tigers turned out to be a red rag which was pulled away at the last moment resulting in me being run through with a truth sharper than any matadors double-edged sword.And it didn't hurt a bit.(Not to put any pressure on you RR but this on-the-inside-looking-at-someone-on-the-outside-going-'Ping' (notwithstanding the perfunctionary denials of God along the way) has me rivetted). That one about God foreknowing the fall but not necessarily being responsible for Adams chioce was a diamond nested in a bed of gemstones. PoE's abound...Completely OT, but if one where to have a EvC get-together and Robin turned up, would anybody be surprised (going on that pencil sketch) if he actually resembled this gentleman...Discover Financial Services

I've already pointed out that if all those animals are made to be vegetarians. Human intelligence will notice the odds. Second, consider that there's a law of nature out there, which the fit will remain, it is an auto-balance system (ecology) cope with other scenarios lying within this law of nature, such as climates (stabilized and auto-balanced and long lasting in order for lives to live). If this auto-balanced ecological system contains only vegetarians, you may notice the odds that this is an *artificial* system instead of a *natural* system (all judged by the average intellence of humans, if we manage to be with a higher intelligence we may notice other odds to point out that our environment is still an *artificial* environment, for instance, the stabiliy relies too much on a undersea circulation system and some planets of our solar system).Third, you are always left with choice (to believe or not), that's why it creates tons of scenarios which are *debatable but can never prove or disprove* (for the last thousand or perhaps the next couple thousand years), which itself is quite an *odd* to me.This message has been edited by Hawkins, 03-16-2006 09:51 PM

The scripture says the devils believe and tremble, so simply saying "I happen to be a believer" doesn't cut it. When you believe most of scripture is fairy tales why should the prophecies or anything else miraculous or supernatural hold up to your examination?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

Hi Hawkins. Welcome to EvC. We hope you will hang out here and enjoy the place.This message has been edited by AdminBuzsaw, 03-16-2006 10:47 PMThis message has been edited by AdminBuzsaw, 03-16-2006 10:49 PM

buz, all you have to do is start a thread and present your best argument in support of your position. Feel free to do so. Who knows, perhaps you can support one? The Isaiah 7 thread is open again and maybe there you can show how it's possible that it is refering to Jesus without wilfully ignoring all that is written in Isaiah 7 except one line?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Jar, your mind seems to be set, limited to the natural, so another prophecy thread would likely be a waste of time, so far as convincing you of anything you're she/it god does supernaturally.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

I believe in GOD and what GOD can do and can see the evidence in things like Evolution and the wonders of what an amazing primate humans are. I certainly don't need fantasy or to ignore the evidence available or not use the brains GOD gave me.I believe in miracles, I believe in GOD and the Supernatural. I don't though have to pretend or makeup evidence to do so.As I have said, if you believe that you can support some prophecy as accurate, start a thread on it. You present your best argument, I'll put forward my best argument and we will let the readers make up their own minds.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You are writing over my head now, Iano. I'm not sure I'm following much of what you are saying.

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What a puzzle. A nihilist who believes in evolution has all the evos on his case while the Biblical fundamentalists are his fans (Iano
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There's no puzzle at all. Robin Rohan, like you, has a closed mind and refuses to accept any possible reconciliation between Christianity and science, even though he cannot defend his position. Why should it be a puzzle that people clinging stubbornly to the same error should agree ? Thus the connection between your views is not rationality, but a shared irrationality.Even worse for your case your position of placing your personal beliefs above sicnce is not rational and is not shared with Robin. Thus there is no basis for any claim that Biblical Fundamentalism is rational on the basis of this discussion - even without considering the internal irrationality of fundamentalism. That you should make such a claim is irrational in itself, and thus the very assertion is self-defeating.

This thread is about evidence that DISPROVES God. According to Robin the evidence is good enough that a rational person should reject the idea that God exists. So really you should be arguing on the same side as Jar, that the evidence is NOT good enough.This hread is not about evidence FOR God. Thus the claim to have such evidence is off-topic. And claiming to have evidence that you refuse to produce is against the forum rules anyway. Especially when you don't have such evidence - which is the case here. W

That sword cuts both ways you know.Can you show why that would refer to Jesus when looking at the phrase IN CONTEXT. So far, no one has been able to explain how that phrase in context with specifially Isiah 8:3-4 and Isaiah 8:18 would make that be Jesus.