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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: And Galileo had to contend with Aristotle not the Bible. False. It wasn't Aristotle who imprisoned Galileo. It was the "majority opinion" theologians whom you cite when it suits you and repudiate otherwise. Their "majority opinion" was based on outside sources, not on the Bible - just as yours is.
My point was that you are outnumbered. Your opinion is outnumbered. Counting noses is meaningless. Edited by Ringo, : Shpelling. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The word "fallible" doesn't necessarily imply morality.
It most certainly does in this context. fallible--prone to error.fickle--prone to change. Not the same thing. Now in what way would geocentrism and slavery be an error? Obvoiusly, it's a moral error. And where does such a view come from, that you automatically assumed would prove your point about how fallible majority opinion is? It comes from the current majority opinion, that's where.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Why is it "obvious" to you that geocentrism is a moral error ?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Why is it "obvious" to you that geocentrism is a moral error ? I was saying that Ringo considered it obvious. But of course the main point is slavery.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: No, you didn't. You rhetorically asked what sort of error geocentrism would be and answered that it was "obviously" a moral error. In short it seems to me that you were arguing that Ringo had to see it as a moral eror BECAUSE it was "obvious" - to you. I certainly see nothing in Ringo's posts to suggest that he sees geocentrism as a moral error.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
No, you didn't. You rhetorically asked what sort of error geocentrism would be and answered that it was "obviously" a moral error. In short it seems to me that you were arguing that Ringo had to see it as a moral eror BECAUSE it was "obvious" - to you. I certainly see nothing in Ringo's posts to suggest that he sees geocentrism as a moral error. I'm saying he called it an error. What other sort of error could it be than a moral error? He links it with slavery. Moreover, he takes it for granted that it will be obvious to all that geocentrism and slavery is an overwhelming indictment of majority opinion. Edited by robinrohan, : changed "it" to "he."
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
You're nit-picking about one word. So what if "fallible" wasn't the best choice of words?
The point - if you choose to ever discuss the point - is that the "majority opinion" that Faith is married to is of little value. It doesn't matter if it's "morally" right or wrong - that's not the issue here. Fallible or fickle or green or fat, the "majority opinion" is just another opinion. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: An error of fact, of course. I really don't see how it could be anything else. But by asking that question you've confirmed that it IS your idea that it's a moral error.
quote: Because both are cases where majority opinion has changed. Thus showing that majority opinion is not a reliable guide to truth of any sort.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You're nit-picking about one word. So what if "fallible" wasn't the best choice of words? Okay.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
An error of fact, of course Oh, he meant "geocentrism" in the astronomical sense? I was thinking of the other sense of the word.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Faith certainly took it as referring to astronomy - and Ringo didn't correct her interpretation of his words. And what sense of geocentrism represens a moral error sufficient that it should be of special significance, compared with the well-known example of Galileo ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: Oh, he meant "geocentrism" in the astronomical sense? I was thinking of the other sense of the word. It never occured to me that there was another sense. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
And what sense of geocentrism represens a moral error sufficient that it should be of special significance, compared with the well-known example of Galileo ? The astronomical sense of the word might be the more usual sense, but I'm just more used to the other, more loaded, sense, which in an indirect way could relate to slavery. I'm just explaining that the astronomical sense is not what came to my mind, not suggesting here that Ringo's use of it was misleading.
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6354 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
I'm just more used to the other, more loaded, sense I don't know what this other sense is - could you explain or give a link please? Oops! Wrong Planet
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
The astronomical sense of the word might be the more usual sense, but I'm just more used to the other, more loaded, sense, which in an indirect way could relate to slavery. You keep talking about the 'other' sense of geocentrism as if everybody knew that there is another sense. I never heard of any other sense but the astronomical one. Would you care to explain?
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