Dear fellow christian, judge not lest you be judged

Amen brother. You tell em.I wish that some of the smarter people in here who are athiest would come to know Christ. They would make fine Christians. Either way they make fine people, and would rather associate with them, than some Christians I know.

Why is it the world wide flood never happened exactly?

This is the most ludicris statement I have heard about Christianity on this forum to date. I guess we could say that about evolution as well.
Yes, I know people probably did, and they probably did about Christ. Both have stood a test of time, but Christ got evolution beat by about 1850 years.
If this is your reason for not believing in Christ, then I feel sorry for you, truely. Thats not a good way of putting it, but yes. It was witnessed by enough people and had such a large affect, that it still stands today. That overwhelming FACT cannot be ignored or ridiculed. The other FACT that a lot of people who claim to be Christian, just don't get it. This is because it is not easy, and a lot of people in general mis-understand many things. But I feel if you let Christ come to you in his fullness, there is no mis-understanding. I can usually tell who is the true Christian or not. I also feel that a lot of athiest come closer to being Christ like than a lot of Christians. Millions of people need to find out about Christ. Christ came to change all those religions, and to die for all those peoples sins. This is happening on a regular basis in other coutries. Soon everyone on earth will have heard about Christ. People are converting by the thousands, some of my friends are over there experiencing it first hand. Many miracles are being performed, things we don't get as much as here, because of our knowledge of everything hinders us from accepting God. Maybe its some of your mis-conceptions. Now we are schizophrenic? You can fill yourself with doubt, its too easy here. This way you can live your life the way you want to, and become your own god. It would be to me takling the easy way out, instead of trying to be Christ like. It's much harder to forgive all people all the time, and give to someone who wants to take from you, and give up a lot if not all of your material possessions for Christ. I mean who in their right mind would want to do that?But once you feel the joy of knowing him, and the truth (Holy Spirit) is revealed to you, you can't help but try and share it with your fellow man. I do this out of Love, not because I feel like your going to hell because you don't know Christ. If you came to my Chruch, you would experience nothing but good times, and feel love from the congregation. I am not a big fan of religion, but I am glad that I found a church where I feel comfortable, and feel like most of the people are actually following Christ.
Either way, you don't need a church to be in Christ.That is part of the reason why I wish some athiests were Christian. It would be an honor to have people like you sharing in the joy of knowing Christ.

Of course the water is available, and then some.

Yes, you summed up Christianity there, boy oh boy, your right, I get it now, I quit God!Bad analagy, try again.I can see by your analagy, that you don't know who Christ is. Because they were the ones who persecuted him. Of course they didn't want to make a big deal about it. They were in fear of losing their power as rulers, because Jesus showed everyone the truth, so people could stop living in a lie. There were 500 witnesses who saw after he came back to life. I already explained to you why, you as a non-believer, cannot use millions of people to discredit anything. Really? I have never heard this one before. Tell me about all the people converting over to muslim, show me proof. Are you sure your not confusing growth of population of people who are already muslim?
The muslim nations are in for a big wake-up call.Christianity is only declining here in America, thanks to people like you, science, and bad Christians. I don't really have a problem with this either, I expect it. I am working on getting the proof of a documented miracle and starting a new thread about it. I don't need to, I was an athiest for 31 years. I am a born again for 8 months. But first before being an athiest, I was believing in God by faith for the first 8 years of my life, until the nuns, and the catholic religion make me think otherwise.I am full aware of the athiest persective(my own). I am also becoming more aware of other peoples perspective, thanks to this forum, and all the intelligent people contained within.This forum has been a great test for me, and it has made my faith stronger. At this point in time, I can give a qualified no. I can't even at this point now, just ignore him, and justify myself not believing in him, or blaming him for everything that is wrong in the world. I can see how it all works now. Its up to me now. It must not be the same then. There is no doubt that many things in life can give you joy, and peace, and a goody goody feeling. You could even meditate yourself into a feeling of bliss. I have experienced many of these things, but none can compare to the way the Holy Spirit speaks to me, and makes me feel, and guides me through my life now. He took a life that was already pretty good, and made it that much better.Tell me, how would you explain me looking ten years younger, and me being instantly smarter? I can see many things in people, and life, that I just could not see before. Is that all in my head. Did my delusional crack-up make me smarter? Is that normal for crazy people to all of a sudden be smarter and look younger? No, I agree completely with you. But you never know, I might just say something to you that makes some sense. Then it wouldn't even have an affect on you now, but maybe 5 years from now, combined with a bunch of other observations(your own), and contributions of knowledge, you may indeed find him on your own.I feel that the fact that your are talking to me, is an indication of your quest of knowledge about him. You can keep asking me questions and drilling me for answers, until you decide that I just don't know what I'm talking about, or you heard enough, or whatever.If you think that you need to prove God's existance before you will believe in him, it will take you longer to actually have him come to you in his fullness. You can however prove it to yourself through subjective, and your own confirmed objective evidences. The instructions for it are in the bible. You can listen to other people talk about it, and disregard what you think doesn't make any sense.My only point from my original statement is that I do not think anyless of anybody because of their belief in one thing or another. But I wish to those people that they would find God on their own, to share in the joy of it.

First-off, I didn't like the way they thought, and the way they treated me. It was against what Jesus was saying in the Bible(remember the bible, their own guide book?).
So here they present a manual of God to me, and they can't even follow it.So the Nun is teaching me in after school how to pray. She tells us about the "Our Father", and then shows us in the bible. So me being the person I am, even at 8, I did not take her word for it, but read a few pages back, and ahead of the "Our Father". Jesus taught us to pray like this: As you know already.Then she preceeded to tell us hail mary and prayer to saint anthony, so I raised my hand and asked: "where in the bible are these prayers?"I almost received a beating.So I said to myself: what the heck is going on here? Jesus taught us how to pray, and he is the Son of God, and now this human wants me to pray to other dead humans, or else I will get a beating?That and when I used to sit in church, I would get filled with angry, that would sometimes transend into rage, almost like the way some of the non-believers in here feel, because I felt so much evil in the church.So I decided at 8 that the church was full of crap, and there is no God, and all these people are believing in a figment of there imagination. I figured if there is God, he should show himself to me, because the world is full of crap. So I followed my own ways based on objective evidences and what was taught to me in schools. You can't always test what is taught to you in the schools, but you figure, it must have passed a panel of experts to get taught in school, so it must be right.My parents weren't religious, and they weren't guiding me in that way. They choose to just send me to school and learn that way about God.Then when I was 25, I had my first child, and a light bulb went off, and I started to read the bible, and compare what I read to real life, and 13 years after that it all made sense. Especially when the Holy Spirit ran me over like a frieght train. I now try to dedicate myself to the Lord as much as I can.You know for those 13 years, I would verbally accept God, but deep down I had my doubts still. It wasn't until the promise of the Holy Spirit made by Jesus was fullfilled that the truth was known to me, and I then felt as I was a new spiritual creation in the eyes of the Lord.If I do what he asks, I get what he promised, without fail, everytime.
Its not by faith that I believe in him anymore, its by faith that I believe his promises will be fullfilled, I know he's there.The miracle I am working on is unexplainable by anything other than the supernatural. even the doctor who documented it, said in 30 years, he has seen many a miraculous recoverys, from many deseases and such, all could be explain in one way or another, or the body could have healed itself, but not this one. I just don't want to claim it until I have the documentation available for the forum.
But I know what your saying. That won't stop me I guess I like headaches.

So bingo! there your mis-conception in action. I did already. you won't believe in something because millions of people do, so why should you use millions of people as evidence against something.
Besides, how do you know that we are not all right? Like I would ever believe the media for anything other than a distorted truth to get you to read, and please visit our sponsers.That to me is an indication that muslims are coming here to America, not that it is growing. See message 147 for a full testimony. I don't think I ever said he could. That is why you need people like me to tell you the good news brother. lol

Awesome, I'm glad you liked it, its the truth.I attend a church now where I can be me. I play keyboards on a Christian rock band, and rock out to 125 people or so every Sunday. I Love that I can worship the Lord in a way that he created. Sometimes we jam so heavy, I think the roof is going to come off, lol.Isn't that the way we are supposed to worship?

Science has figured out that if the polar caps melted, all but a few highest mountains wouild be covered. I was dissapointed to hear this, because it dis-proves that a flood happened. For years I thought this.Now I realized on my own, that if it rains heavy enough, the streams back up, and all the water in the world would not be at the same level. All God would have to do is make it rain harder over the mountains, and the earth would be covered in water. The streams would back up to the mountain tops. Ever see the missisippi after just a few days of heavy rain? Not only that, the fresh water system would not be disrupted, because the fresh water would be over land, and draining into the oceans fast enough to not allow it to back up. Only the lowest areas would have salt water back up into them, such as the valley of death, and the bonneville salt flats. All that salt would have had to come from somewhere.Its just my theory, and I am not a scientist, so have fun with it.

Can't you read? I said because of that whole thing I decided it was a scam. Stop picking and choosing what I say. Try reading through my whole post before quoting and responding. Most of the answers are there already. You can't even read what you quotes. I stated several reasons why I did not believe in God. Are you calling me a liar? Are you ashamed that an athiest became a Christian. I guess you are so convinced that there is no God, that this couldn't be possible. Or because I believe in God now, that means that I always believed in him.So are you calling me a liar, and trying to tell me how I really felt?Your sarcasim doesn't make a good arguement, it only makes you look silly. Try some rational discussion, otherwise I will drop it with you. I have no tolerence for dis-honesty. I will simply give it to God to handle, because its out of my league. Bless you.

Not really, its only a small part of it. I can't use it, because millions of others believe in different religions. But I can relate to those who I know who feel the same thing I do, which is not the same as other religions. Why is this, because of all the idiot Christians out there, who claim to be one. Not because muslim is the better eligion, or the true one. So again the blame falls on man, which has nothing to do with God. This is why we need smart people like you to find the Lord, and help weed out all those bad ones. Its time we took back what is ours.Plus its not that by itself, its that with a lot of other things combined.Can you tell me what you have against Jesus's teachings? Show me some flaws in what he did or said.You seem to be using the rest of the world as an exuse to not believe in God, bad mistake. Not completely. It can all make sense if you piece it together, and Jesus can be the Son of God, and all those other religions believe in the same God with a different set of rules. All of which were created by man. They may or maynot have been led by the spirit of God to come up with exactly what they have. Different people need different religions, but they all can come to Christ. Isn't it obvious why CNN would run a story like this? They are trying to instill fear into the public, because of all the terrorist stuff going on. Its that fear factor, and bad news addiction that keeps them coming back.I would bet you the real story is, peaceful muslims are moving to our country and setting up there religion, so they have a place to go. So its not really on the rise on the earth as a whole, only shifting.But Christianity is on the decline in this country, but maybe not for long. We at our church have been sensing a movement in the spirit, and hope something good is going to happen here. Lets see what happens the next few years. I understand, but this is an interactive conversation, and maybe, just maybe I might be able to address one of your concerns or queries about Christianity.Remember I never attacked you directly about becoming Christian, I only put out a genral statement wanting smart athiest to come to know the Lord. That doesn't mean I will go running around forcing Christianity down your throat, but I will defend it when attacked.

Its been awhile since I thought of this, but I made a mistake. Its all the ice melting plus if all the moisture in the sky was on the ground.
Remeber, I think I heard this about 25 years ago, so its probably wrong, like science always does.I reealize that doesn't help my arguement, the moisture in the sky thing, but my rain theory still holds water. If you think about it, if the right conditions existed, the ice wouldn't even have to melt. There would just have to be enough rain over the land, and the earth would be covered in water. So its still possible, thats what I'm looking for.If you applied enough heat over say, the equator, couldn't that create enough moisture in the sky to make rain over the entire world? The rain would have to drain back to its evaporating point.Say the Sun had an unstable year, of higher output? Not exactly sure if thats possible. I should know that one too. Or Gigantic magnetic storm that lasted one year, and the magnetic lines of force passing through metal deposits in the earth could have acted like a giant toaster (I crack myself up). Hey maybe that explains why some metal deposits of same metals have different tensil strength than others. It was hardened by the Sun, based on there over-all resistance, some might have got hotter than others. I might be on to something. Remember its my prize. I said it first.Thats why God told Noah not to use metal nails in the construction of the Ark j/kOr say an impact, like the one that wiped out the dinosaurs possibly, could have sent enough water in the atmosphere, and then also created a global warming which could have speed up evaporation, cloud formation, and rain rates world wide.There are many possibility's ?This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 09-13-2004 11:54 PMThis message has been edited by riVeRraT, 09-13-2004 11:56 PM

I pointed that out already. You seem to think that the action of water seeking its own level will happen instantianiously.So if it rained 2 ft of water over the rocky mountains in one day, how long would it take for the water to get back to the ocean? Those 2 feet would be missing from the ocean, and the level would be down.If it rained like that only over land, then the earth would be covered with water, and flooded. Everything would be washed away, unless it was buried already. It's about 28,000 feet if I remember correctly. What I'm telling you, is that the water level would not have to come up to the top of mount everest for it to be flooded.
Water can only drain off so fast, so if it rained hard enough, Mt. Everest would be covered in water. It waould still look like a mountain, but it would be covered in water, getting deeper as you go down in elevation.Someone should create a computer model of what the Himalayas would look like if it rained 2ft of rain there for 40 days.With this theory, I would also say it would be immpossible for the ark to have wound up on a mountain ridge somewhere. It would have more likely to have ended up in a plain.Are you getting the picture, or the theory I am trying to tell you?