Dear fellow christian, judge not lest you be judged

The Two Contradictory Creation Accounts This link provides a concise comparison as well.

Genesis 2 is not proposing a different chronology of events than Genesis 1.It is expounding on some of the events of Genesis 1 and also continuing the story.

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I think we can now agree, and have established that these prophecies about Christ are accurate.

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Accurate about what?The verses you printed from Psalm 22 (Message 153) can be applied to any one, if not several, of the the political antagonists that the Romans crucified in the first century. They probably felt the same way. Roman CrucifictionOf course from the Hebrew Bible we have: IMO, since the song is written in present tense, it would apply more to the author's feelings and situation at the time it was written not a future incident.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

And once again Mike claps his hands over his ears and refuses to listen to what he doesn't want to hear, then repeats himself ad nauseum.I didn't miss your point... I addressed it directly: Nobody is dismissing the truth of the statement. We're simply responding "so what? That so-called prophecy is just a blindingly obvious statement of fact. It's like claiming divine powers for stating that the sun will come up tomorrow."So give us an actual prophecy, Mike. Not a blindingly obvious statement of fact.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

I'm saying that in the scriptures, the power that they portray him to have would most liiely make him capable of changing form.

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-porcelain

The prophecy of schrafinator came true.I had a discussion with a teacher of mine, I had thought he was an atheist, well that was the impression I got, probably from my christian bias. He has a belief in a supreme being. I asked him why he came to that conclusion and he mentioned having dreams of a past life, he believes God is in everything and that everyone finds God a different way. Some may find the christian God, some may find Allah, but he said to ignore the existence of a God is to ignore life around you, and that you can't convince anyone of anything, mentioning the futility of participating in a board like this.Religion was created to give people hope, why ancient people, the Paleolithic came to an explanation of a God and an afterlife is beyond me. Maybe there is san argument for "looking at life around you" and coming to a conclusion of a "God"

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-porcelain

I'm curious, which scriptures give you the impression that "Satan" or the "Devil" would have the power to change his physical form?

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Sorry Dan, in my late reply, I didn't attend Friday/Sat. However, everybody knows the chances of the sun rising tomorrow. And I'm not hanging Jesus's divine powers on this prophecy alone. I'd rather not remove a truth because of your rules. In effect, I only agreed to them in that other thread alone - for mere argument's sake. But now, I have shown nevertheless, specific biblical prophecies in Isaiah, which came to pass in the NT.Maybe you missed reading the earlier thread?You see, Christ predicted wars, and rumours of them, and it is a prophecy. Specificity alone is not the purpose of prophecy.If he said "And Hitler will attempt world domination in world war 2" rather than "wars and rumours of wars" - then he wouldn't be addressing the purpose. In essence, this particular prophecy must be vague, or he would have gave a long list of specific end-time catastrophisms, and to do what? Prove himself when he preaches belief?Yet he said "wars and ru...." - which doesn't mean he is not telling the truth. However, I am aware of the fact that you dimiss this as a good example of prophecy, and I think I have offered specific ones in this thread. If you read through the earlier thread, you will see that Shraff dismissed my examples because she didn't want to admitt their accuracy. Please read!

Mike, unless this is another joke on your part, it seems that you STILL don't understand the point of the rules.The rules are NOT to identify whether a prediction is true or false they are there to say whether the prophecy is good EVIDENCE of genuine foreknowledge. Let me make that very clear - if you say that the sun will rise tomorrow you MIGHT have genuine foreknowledge - but there is no way to tell. And that is what the rules are for - to idnetify those prophecies (if any) that DO tell us that the originator had genuine foreknowledge. "Wars and rumours of wars" on its own isn't even as good as "the sun will rise tomorrow" - with no time limit there's not even a way to to be certain that it failed in the unlikely event that long-term peace broke out.

And everybody knows that at some indeterminate point in the future, there will be wars and rumors of war. What's your point? I don't recall striking any passages out of the bible. Only saying "unimpressive, what else you got?" (And judging by the lack of prophecies you've put up to the rules so far, the answer would seem to be "nothing".) Gimme some extra-biblical corroboration, Mike. The Bible claiming that the Bible is true means nothing. Well, bully for Jesus. He may have his reasons for making an obvious statement of fact, but it doesn't change that it is an obvious statement of fact. Or that you're listening, even a little bit.WHETHER THE PROPHECY IS TRUE IS IRRELEVANT TO WHETHER IT IS VALID OR IMPRESSIVE.Do we need to get some handpuppets or something? Will that help you understand this incredibly simple point?(edited for grammar)This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 09-20-2004 12:31 PM

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

To put it another way... I predict that at some point, the political right in America will do something that will offend the political left in America.It's a true statement. And the truth of the statement does NOTHING to give ANYONE ANY REASON WHATSOEVER to be impressed by the "prophecy" I have delivered unto you.So does the Bible have any prophecies that would give us reason to be impressed? Any at all?

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

I haven't been following this topic much, but I'm pretty confident that it's been drifting all over the place. So here is a replay of message 1:

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Recently, I made a topic in a christian forum, and their talk indeed angered me. They spoke like they themselves are in the judgement seat of Christ. So here's an excerpt of what I said to them (I was naughty as usual and almost got banished). Now I have fire in my belly for atheists who have indeed been a most kind and goodly nature at this forum evc. I was even offended GREATLY for my atheist brothers/sisters. So I think this is an important message and indeed wisdom is from babes, when B2preach said "justify damnation". Rather, justify damning your fellow servant like you are God! (Only Christ can judge) a person.

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I read this; "You are a sinner. Therefore,
unless you believe on Jesus Who died in your
place, you will spend eternity in Hell. "

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I read this in part of "God's plan of salvation". To be honest though, I think this is an unnecessary comment? It is down to Christ to judge.

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At other forums I am told that I preach a "your going to hell" message, and therefore, I take a lot of flack because of statements like the above.

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We shall ALL stand before the judgement seat of Christ, - fair enough, quote what Christ says, but do NOT make such comments about "unless you believe". We know what Christ says, but that doesn't give us the right to say to someone "your going to hell unless".

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Infact, in the NT there is comments about why God plans to be merciful to all. I am not saying that none-believers are going to heaven. WHAT I AM SAYING is that NO MAN WHO IS DUST can say to another man "you are going to hell unless....". We have no right to judge any person's situation.

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Quote the Lord, but know this - you are not God that you can judge your fellow servant.

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Even people's unbelief was so others could believe. Will God have mercy? Let him speak himself rather than saying others are going to hell.

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I for one, am happy for Mike to leave his response to thoughts from this thread over on the prophecy thread.How about it, Mike? Want to give us even one impressive prophecy, over on the other thread?

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

Dan, do you mean the "prophecy for Buzsaw" thread? -- Trying to get me in the lions den eh. -I thought you could have the last word in this thread, as we have been spanked for our -off-topic banterisms. Maybe you could observe message one which Adminnemooseus has repeated, and comment on that.

Yes, I do mean that thread. And I'm not interested in getting the last word, I'm interested in you not weaseling out of this one. Especially because I fully expect that a month or so down the line, you'll be harping on about Biblical prophecies as if this conversation never happened, telling us all over again that there's simply no prophecy that would hold water with us.So go to the other thread. Give me one Biblical prophecy that holds up. Just one.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin