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nator
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Message 136 of 197 (100451)
04-16-2004 6:00 PM
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04-16-2004 2:56 PM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
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If it can't be explained by science does that mean that it is non existent?
No, it just means that science cannot address it.
Science makes no comment at all upon the supernatural. Science ignores the supernatural completely. Science is silent WRT the supernatural.
quote:
Yes Virginia, there are such things as conspiracies, global in scope and wicked in intent.
Like I said, I am not interested in the least in discussing paranoid conspiracy theories.
I am interested in discussing scientific evidence. If you are going to handwave away any evidence you don't like by claiming conspiracy then you can forget about any debate from me.
It would be too bad, though, because you might actually learn something about science.

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Message 137 of 197 (100456)
04-16-2004 6:35 PM
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04-16-2004 5:53 PM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
So scientists have a different definition of 'fact' and 'theory' than what the common folk do?

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pinky
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Message 138 of 197 (100459)
04-16-2004 6:40 PM
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04-16-2004 6:00 PM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
As far as 'paraniod' conspiracy theories, I would argue that there is far more 'evidence' to support many of them than what may appear at a surface glance. Personally I find it an interesting subject, if you do not then I will not press the issue with you any further.
Peace to you Schrafinator
pinky

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NosyNed
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Message 139 of 197 (100461)
04-16-2004 6:46 PM
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04-16-2004 6:35 PM


Fact and Theory
So scientists have a different definition of 'fact' and 'theory' than what the common folk do?
Yes! It turns out that there are blurry lines around what exactly a "fact" is. Theory is certainly different in science from the colloquial idea. A theory is not a suspect fact. It is a much bigger deal than a fact.
There is an old thread on this topic.
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NosyNed
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Message 140 of 197 (100462)
04-16-2004 6:48 PM
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04-16-2004 6:40 PM


conspiracy theories
As far as 'paraniod' conspiracy theories, I would argue that there is far more 'evidence' to support many of them than what may appear at a surface glance.
This sounds like a new thread. You can propose one if you actually think you have evidence. By now you may realize how hard that is.

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PaulK
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Message 141 of 197 (100465)
04-16-2004 6:57 PM
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04-16-2004 6:40 PM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
Conspiracy theories are really no more than an amusing game.
You can draw your tenuous links but do they really mean anything ? Freemasonry was in vogue amongst 18th Century intellectuals - so unsurprisingly some of the founders of the Royal Society were Freemasons. Charles Darwin and three of his children made contributions to science worthy of being elected to the Royal Society, so they were. There's no EVIDENCE of conspiracy in any of that.

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pinky
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Message 142 of 197 (100477)
04-16-2004 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by NosyNed
04-16-2004 6:48 PM


Re: conspiracy theories
This sounds like a new thread.
Yup, I totally agree, I think this thread has meandered off topic enough as it is.
You can propose one if you actually think you have evidence.
Does 'evidence' have a different meaning to scientists also . Just thought I should ask.

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Message 143 of 197 (100480)
04-16-2004 8:00 PM
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04-16-2004 7:55 PM


Evidence
Does 'evidence' have a different meaning to scientists also . Just thought I should ask.
Probably. But you'd have to tell me what you accept as "evidence" before I could answer that.
Do you want a new topic or what? Shall we make it on evidence first?
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pinky
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Message 144 of 197 (100482)
04-16-2004 8:03 PM
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04-16-2004 6:57 PM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
Conspiracy theories are really no more than an amusing game.
Some 'theories' perhaps, but not all. I think it does require looking at the 'evidence' collectively, which forms a definite pattern, consistently ties into the same elite group of people and has an occult undercurrent. But like Ned said, that is a subject for it's own thread.
Freemasonry was in vogue amongst 18th Century intellectuals
And is still alive today, and can be traced directly to many modern and globally influential organizations.

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pinky
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Message 145 of 197 (100489)
04-16-2004 8:12 PM
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04-16-2004 8:00 PM


Re: Evidence
Do you want a new topic or what?
That would probably be a good idea, but I don't know that I will have the time to start one today. I have little rugrats to chase around, supper to cook and my husband needs to use the computer right now.
Till later...
carolyn

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Message 146 of 197 (100506)
04-16-2004 10:18 PM
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04-16-2004 8:12 PM


Re: Evidence
New "evidence" thread is proposed?
Are there any others you want?
I'd suggest that you try to sort out for yourself who is lieing: talkorigins or your other sources. It is important to qualify the sources you use. I would suggest that we can easily show that you are using sources that not only mislead but deliberately do so. Care to test that?

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PaulK
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Message 147 of 197 (100554)
04-17-2004 3:46 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by pinky
04-16-2004 8:03 PM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
That doesn't change the fact that much of the "evidence" you offered was nothing of the sort. In fact it was just the sort of game I described. If that is the sort of thing that impresses you then you need to take a more critical look at the evidence.

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pinky
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Message 148 of 197 (100715)
04-18-2004 11:44 AM
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04-17-2004 3:46 AM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
First of all the so called evidence that I offered was nothing near being in it's entirety, not even close, it was but the smallest fraction of a bigger picture. Personally I would not take those links in and of themselves as proof either. I could post hundreds and hundreds of links to build the more complete picture, from masonic and secular sources themselves. The few links that I did provide, I was hoping to be a starting point to build on, but before I can even hope to get started the nay sayers have made their verdict without even hearing the case. So be it.

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PaulK
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Message 149 of 197 (100716)
04-18-2004 12:01 PM
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04-18-2004 11:44 AM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
As I pointed out several of your links had no significance.
If that's the quality of your evidence then you have shown that your case is empty. It has the same flaws of all "Grand Conspiracy Theories".

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pinky
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Message 150 of 197 (100717)
04-18-2004 12:07 PM
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04-18-2004 11:44 AM


Re: don't peep at the spy in my pie
Why am I unable to post a new topic?
I keep getting Sorry, but you are not authorized to post a new topic in this particular forum. Only moderators, administrators, and authorized users may post new topics in this forum.

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