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Topic: How to explain disbelief in the all-important Bible?
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 8 of 59 (435287)
11-20-2007 7:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Am5n 11-20-2007 6:39 AM
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Do you believe the purpose of the bible is to promote god? Could god not have come up with something a little more creative than a book? The majority may believe but it doesn't always make it true.
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 31 of 59 (435395)
11-20-2007 5:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by bluegenes 11-20-2007 9:01 AM
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"The majority of people do not believe in the Christian God, or that the Bible is "true" or the word of God." How do you know this? Also how does a christian god differ from the one god professed by many religions?
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 35 of 59 (435405)
11-20-2007 6:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Taz 11-20-2007 5:47 PM
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No I'm not a buddist at heart. I went to one meeting and as soon as they said to stand when the monk entered the room and gave us a prayer to say in his honour I was ready to leave. If anyone wants reverence from me they are in for a long wait. I had to laugh. I don't believe in organised religion at all in any shape or form, so I don't know to what you are referring with freedom as long as you accept jesus as your saviour. Huh? However, the point I was making was we cannot know how many believe in god, but statistics of the sale of the bible show it plays an important\huge global role. In that there 'may' be a majority rule, it doesn't always make it true. This applies in any situation. I wonder if the bible was not believed to be inspired by god and taken as a literary novel, would it be a best seller?
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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"Bible: 4-6 billion sold Shakespeare: 4 billion sold Does that answer your question?" No. They are not comparable. Shakespeare did not claim to be inspired by god and his works are judged on literary merit not if they are true or not.
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 47 of 59 (435443)
11-20-2007 11:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by bluegenes 11-20-2007 6:39 PM
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"How do I know that the majority of people in the world aren't Christians? Can't we just take their word for it?" I don't know. How many people have you asked? I thought you were stating it as a known fact. "I think it's something to do with coming to earth himself, as his son, to save us around 2000 years ago, plus numerous other details." This god doesn't seem worth his salt if this is the best he can do. Kills his son, inspire the bible and then have the human race fighting over them for 2000yrs. Maybe this partly explains disbelief in the all important bible?
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 48 of 59 (435447)
11-21-2007 12:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 39 by Taz 11-20-2007 6:45 PM
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"You honestly believe the majority of the world are christian?" No. I haven't a clue. It is not what I was saying at all. Bluejeans was stating categorically that the majority are NOT christians. Given the bible is so widely promoted, (even by the president of the United States and the pope,) I asked how did he know this to be true?
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Thanks. I wonder who compiled those statistics? "We present data from both primary research sources such as government census reports, statistical sampling surveys and organizational reporting, as well as citations from secondary literature which mention adherent statistics." Hmmmmm..................
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 50 of 59 (435454)
11-21-2007 12:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 45 by subbie 11-20-2007 11:07 PM
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Re: Shakespeare vs. the bible
That's certainly one way of putting it. Do you think the content of the bible could make it a best seller without the religious connoctations?
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 53 of 59 (435500)
11-21-2007 8:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 52 by bluegenes 11-21-2007 4:31 AM
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Did you see post 41?
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 56 of 59 (435510)
11-21-2007 10:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 55 by bluegenes 11-21-2007 9:34 AM
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I asked because you said, ""How do I know that the majority of people in the world aren't Christians? Can't we just take their word for it?" and it seemed you didn't know the answer. The initial point I was making in response to the original post was that 'belief in anything does not make it true, no matter if it is believed by the majority'. Given the statistics in post 41, billions believe in a god that they do not know, that they have no experience of and those who claim to, experience god only from within, including jesus. It is the minority who make these claims of a real god through personal experience and they are believed by a majority who really haven't a clue. This imaginary god that is unique to each individual is causing huge divisions within the human race. It seems to me that the belief in a religious god has been proved to be false. The time is coming when we shall not attribute the good things in life to god and the bad things to the devil. We will take responsibility for our own creations, experiences, humanity and the world. Amen to that!
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pelican
Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: 05-27-2007
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Message 58 of 59 (435580)
11-21-2007 6:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 57 by bluegenes 11-21-2007 10:47 AM
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Yes, technically there is no proof that one religious god does not exist and none to prove it does, but does it have to be proved physically? Cannot reason and logic give us the truth? It seems to me the majority of believers have all their beliefs of god based on a 'holy' book, totally void of any experience. The beliefs are strong because of emotional attachments, especially fear and it is fearful. Without belief in god, what is there?
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