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Topic: We didn't pray
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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The Lord helps those who help themselves
ike the wiz writes: Christ did say that if you had faith and belief, you could move mountains. Not faith in God, he only said, "faith". Good point, Mr. Wizard. If Schraf and Zhim had been stranded in a blizzard with all their worldly possessions and a bag of cats, what would they have done? Sat there praying for help, while slowly hypothermalizing? Or used the brains God (if any) gave them to figure a way out? Faith in our own God-given (or not) abilities is often more useful than professed faith in outside agencies.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 16 of 126 (293364)
03-08-2006 3:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Silent H
03-08-2006 3:31 PM
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Re: The Lord helps those who help themselves
holmes writes: Faith in our own God-given (or not) abilities is often more useful than professed faith in outside agencies. If faith in our own abilities is enough, and that seems to be what gods reward, then what's the point in having faith in gods? Is that a question or a paraphrase? 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 18 of 126 (293377)
03-08-2006 3:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
03-08-2006 3:48 PM
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Faith writes: ... and your own ingenuity isn't enough to find a way out of your predicament.... In The Right Stuff, Tom Wolfe explained that "your own ingenuity" doesn't run out until that final SPLAT. There's always something more that you can try. Prayer is fine as a parallel to actions, but it should never be a substitute.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: good vs bad prayers
veiledvirtue writes: ... a heart guided by the mind leads to confusion, while one guided by the spirit becomes easy... Did you get that out of the Daily Bread loaf? What's wrong with a little confusion, anyway? You'll learn more by asking questions than by taking "guidance" from an imagined source.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 88 of 126 (295526)
03-15-2006 12:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by riVeRraT
03-14-2006 3:48 PM
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Re: Sunny day
riVeRraT writes: The day the terrorists flew into the Twin Towers was a beatiful sunny day. The lady I was working for that day made us chocolate chip cookies. If I was going to pray for cookies, they would be chocolate chip. I presume God would know that. Do you think maybe God "blinked" for a second while answering my unspoken prayer for chocolate chip cookies? Is that why He didn't stop the attack?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 92 of 126 (295898)
03-16-2006 9:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 91 by riVeRraT
03-16-2006 6:16 AM
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Re: Sunny day
riVeRraT writes: Can you explain biblically why God should have stopped the attack? Or any bad thing? Schrafinator's question in the OP is: If good things happen to us anyway, why should we pray? Similarly, if bad things happen to us anyway, why should we pray? I guess the question is: If God doesn't stop bad things from happening, what Good is He?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 95 of 126 (296217)
03-17-2006 11:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 93 by riVeRraT
03-17-2006 5:55 AM
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Re: Sunny day
riVeRraT writes: ... you couldn't have deduced the answer to that question from the reply your question was generated from? When I ask a question, I want you to answer it. If I could deduce all of your answers, we wouldn't need you at all, would we?
The answer lies within the message you are replying to. Here's my question:
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If God doesn't stop bad things from happening, what Good is He?
and here's the message I was replying to:
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Can you explain biblically why God should have stopped the attack?
Or any bad thing? Jesus prayed everyday, look what happened to Him.
Kindly dig out the answer, dust it off and show it to us, will you?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 97 of 126 (296322)
03-17-2006 3:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by riVeRraT
03-17-2006 2:35 PM
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Re: Sunny day
riVeRraT writes: When we experience what we percive as bad, it is actually God making things good. Nothing happens except by the will of the Father, so all evil is from Him, ultimately, since He should have the power to stop it. That's actually a pretty good answer . 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 99 of 126 (296354)
03-17-2006 5:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 98 by riVeRraT
03-17-2006 5:54 PM
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Re: Sunny day
riVeRraT writes: 2 miracles in one day, I can't take it. Hey, in twenty-six hundred posts, odds are you'd get something right. 
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