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Michael
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Message 105 of 126 (299756)
03-31-2006 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by nator
03-31-2006 8:32 AM


Re: old post
Nobody is saying that God should stop all bad things from happening to people.
Damnit, someone should be! If a God exists, she should be doing all in her power to stop all bad things from happening to people. If I thought it would be productive, I'd pray for that.
The more important question raised by your post is: how does John Travolta rate an exclamation mark?

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Michael
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From: USA
Joined: 05-14-2005


Message 108 of 126 (299819)
03-31-2006 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
03-31-2006 11:46 AM


Re: Be Ye Banished to Hell for not praying to ME!
Care to play Tennis on a sunny day with a worthy opponent who could beat the pants off you yet will even let you win?
Does "tennis" become "Tennis" because you are playing against a deity?
I would rather play against someone at a skill-level similar to my own. And if I win, I want it to be because I have played above my previous abilities, not because my opponent let me win. Winning means nothing if it is without effort.
Cheers.
{spelling error corrected}
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Michael
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Message 109 of 126 (299904)
03-31-2006 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by nator
03-31-2006 9:23 AM


a wee bit OT
Maybe She is doing all in her power to stop bad things from happening, but She isn't all-powerful.
Sounds like a story that Michael Moorcock could have written.
I'm into Matthew MacFadyen. Now THERE'S a gorgeous man and an incredible actor.
The only thing I've seen him in was Pride and Predudice, but my attention was mostly focused elsewhere on the screen. However, I think I can approve. At least he seems to be able to act.
Cheers.

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Michael
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Message 112 of 126 (299940)
03-31-2006 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Phat
03-31-2006 8:37 PM


Re: Be Ye Banished to Hell for not praying to ME!
This analogy needs some clarification.
Okay.
1) God is not an opponent of us...He is an opponent of any virus we may have.
If I ever had a virus, and had a game scheduled, I would most likely just call off the game.
Perhaps playing above our previous abilities....(doing our bvest) is an admirable game, but we can't win this game.
I probably wouldn't even schedule a match against an opponent who I didn't think I might beat.
(The game being that human wisdom needs no God)
And She is going to let me win this game if I choose to?
He lets us win by giving us a chance to have a tagteam partner...Jesus Christ.
I almost never play doubles. I prefer relying on myself (there ya go ...).
In the Heavenly Court, God is both prosector and defense attorney.
I have played a fair amount of tennis--I am unfamiliar with the terms "prosecutor" and "defense" with regard to the game.
Only a fool would choose to represent themselves.
As can be seen here, I can be a fool. It doesn't bother me.
Cheers.

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Michael
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Message 118 of 126 (300282)
04-02-2006 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by U can call me Cookie
04-01-2006 4:02 PM


Re: the balance
First, I was thinking just in the context of life here on earth, and not considering the possibility of an after-life paradise. Otherwise I would have to consider the point that Modulous made here:
Modulous writes:
A random idea that struck me was the idea that suffering exists and that we suffer so that we know what suffering is. Why? Perhaps it makes an existence without suffering truly paradise.
Basically, God can do something that appears cruel to us on earth, but in context of eternity is for the greater good.
So, without considering an afterlife, I think a fully omniscient, omnipotent god should be able to do a better job of minimizing the "bad" than an indifferent universe would.
Nothing can be defined objectively as being "bad." However, I think most people would consider the suffering caused by earthquakes to be bad. On the good side, earthquakes provide an occupation for seismologists, architects who design earthquake-resistant buildings, etc--but those people could find other occupations in the absence of earthquakes.
So, my preferred god would understand this. She would be able to "tap" stress-points in the crust to create very tiny quakes so as to prevent the build-up of large stresses. No more suffering from earthquakes--beats the hell out of an indifferent universe.
To tie this into the greater topic: I'd pray for that, and expect results.
Cheers.

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Michael
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Message 119 of 126 (300287)
04-02-2006 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Phat
03-31-2006 11:41 PM


Re: Be Ye Banished to Hell for not praying to ME!
First, I think we might have been better off with the Tennis analogy--I'm having trouble finding any analogy in your latest post. Or is it your view that the entire bible is analogy?
Second, I would suggest that, if you are introducing a heathen to the bible, you might find some other place to start than Revelations.
Third, I think this is getting way off topic. Might be good fodder for the chat room sometime.
Fourth:
Score: Infinity-Love.
I'd always wondered how to score those balls that my opponent is knocking way over the fence.
Cheers.
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