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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Is that rock true or false? If it is true, then we have in our hand a piece of reality. If it is false, then we have in our hand what we perceive as reality. God offers the one, you prefer to keep the other. A choice is a choice. J ust because you believe you cannot know, does not mean that others don't. After all, if you say that I cannot know the truth, you must invoke omniscience of your own to make the claim. That is self defeating. Please go back to kindergarten with your games. I have no need for a pied piper, and neither does any imaginary audience in this hall of clowns who whisper to each other the beautiful things they love to hear.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
That is why the first and second commandments dealt with this issue first.
That appears to be your own non-standard translation. Perhaps you are starting a new sect. 1. I am the Lord thine God and thou shall have no other God. 2. Thou shall not create God in your own image. Edited by nwr, : No reason given. Compassionate conservatism - bringing you a kinder, gentler torture chamber
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
"Truth" is not an absolute. It is only what we internalize. That would be an absolute if it were true. Unfortunately, self contradictory statements are always false.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
I was paraphrasing. Please dispense with the hair splitting
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
A rock is.
A proposition in a language such as "There is a rock in my hand" or "rocks are hard" are abstract statements that can be evaluated as true or false. Rob, you are the one who has consistently played language games in bad faith in order to manipulate people's emotions. You are now refusing to clarify and choosing to keep things muddled, conflated, and confused. Why is that?
After all, if you say that I cannot know the truth, you must invoke omniscience of your own to make the claim. That is self defeating. I will say that you require oxygen to live. That if you are deprived of oxygen in most environments, setting aside for the time being the possiblity of being cryonic suspended which doesn't yet seem viable, for a length of time of 10 or more minutes you will most likely die.Am I invoking omniscience of my own in making such an induction? How do I defeat myself? lfen
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: "Truth" is not an absolute. It is only what we internalize. That would be an absolute if it were true. Don't confuse yourself. You are assuming that everything is absolute. Adjust your thinking to: nothing is absolute unless shown to be absolute. The first step in releasing your need for an external God is understanding that it is an addiction. You have already done that (almost) by starting this thread. The next step is to release your need for absolutes. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Rob, you are the one who has consistently played language games in bad faith in order to manipulate people's emotions. Did Jesus do the same? From another thread:
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
I'm not even going to argue with you ringo. You cannot hear, you cannot see, and you would not if you could.
As you project your own addiction to your own God on me, you only make the disease worse for yourself. If you don't like preaching, then stop! Take a vacation...
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: If you don't like preaching, then stop! You're the one who asked me for enlightenment. Your own OP suggests that gods are only a substitute for something we already have. Don't blame me if your own "truth" makes you uncomfortable. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Did Jesus do the same? I don't know. We have virtually no evidence of what he said or even if he existed.http://home.ca.inter.net/oblio/home.htm It is possible that a teacher had awakened and was trying to explain awakening but was killed before he could finish his teaching. In Ramana Maharshi we have a modern awakened teacher whose teaching was recorded over decades.
Self-enquiry is certainly not an empty formula; it is more than the repetition of any mantra. If the enquiry, ”Who am I?’ were a mere mental questioning, it would not be of much value. The very purpose of Self-enquiry is to focus the entire mind at its source. It is not, therefore, a case of one ”I’ searching for another ”I’. Much less is Self-enquiry an empty formula, for itinvolves an intense activity of the entire mind to keep it steadily poised in pure Self-awareness. Self-enquiry is the one infallible means, the only direct one, to realise the unconditioned, Absolute Being that you really are. Ramana Maharshi - A Spiritual Giant of the Twentieth Century The teacher that in English is called Jesus could have been trying to explain that one had to look to the source of the self, the "I am" to find what he called the Kingdom of Heaven within. "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me." Means literally that was one has to follow the sense of the "I am" to the source and that is the way to the source. He wasn't refering to a specific biological organism. Christian dogma is a misunderstanding of this and a creation of a theology that protects the ego's sense of itself as a discrete being. lfen
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
As I said in the larger part of my main point to begin this thread:
quote: Although most of you do not seem to me to be wanting a discussion so much as meat for the pack to devour, I would still rather have you out here than calling it quits and cashing in your chips just yet. Though this pearls to swine game is getting old and I must get to sleep for the night, it is strangely nice to know that some things don't change. After all... a god... any god... is absolute! Sovereignty is sovereignty! Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: After all... a god... any god... is absolute! Another example of the confusion caused by "absolutes". As your own OP says:
quote: Actually, there are as many "truths" as there are men because each man's truth is what is inside him. How then can any of those "truths" be absolute? How can any one man's "god" be absolute? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
You know Ifen, I don't personally have problem with your post being off topic. All of these topics seems to meld into one another.
But it is interesting that you sugest the whole 'oneness thing'. It's pretty popular these days. Jesus said, I have not come to unite but divide. He said alot of things like that, and there were a lot of witnesses. It was recorded in languages that are still spoken and written today. Languages such as Hebrew, greek, and Latin that were written languages. Furthermore people gave their lives to make sure what was spoken was not altered. Apostle's strongarmed, imprisoned, and crucified (literally) for not being willing to compromise the truth. All this talk about mistranslation is preposterous. Perhaps you could say that for the Old Testament which was once carried by an oral tradition, but not about Jesus, who by the way confirmed the Old Testament. He quoted it as having authority, and as proof of His own personage. He said absolutely outrageous things! Things that if not true are blasphemous in the highest degree even to you! That is why they crucified Him.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
I am not even going to try to bring all of that back into context Ringo. You just spin what you have to... I don't have time for it...
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: I am not even going to try to bring all of that back into context Ringo. It's all perfectly within the context of your OP. Allow me to review: "If God is dead, does mankind become God?" Yes, because every man's god is just his own perception of what God really is. Since every man has his own perception, there can be no absolute "truth" about God - at least, no absolute "truth" that can ever be known to man. You just don't seem to like the clear implications of what you yourself posted. I suppose you were planning on showing that the notion of mankind becoming God is absurd. Instead, you have stumbled on something quite profound. Give your own discovery a chance before you reject it out of hand. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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