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Message 11 of 241 (328081)
07-01-2006 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by robinrohan
07-01-2006 6:30 PM


Yes, girls love nihilists. It's so romantic. That's why I am one.
If you have a purpose for being a nihilist, doesn't that imply that you are not a nihilist?

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Message 22 of 241 (328152)
07-01-2006 9:48 PM


Asimov on atheism
I happened to bump into this web page. It seems pertinent to the topic under discussion here.

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Message 35 of 241 (328387)
07-03-2006 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by riVeRraT
07-03-2006 12:46 AM


So when you were agnostic, you believed in following the golden rule, and you thought that was good.
When atheists believe in following the golden rule, you label that "the greater good" and you apparently think that is bad.
So when did you stop following the golden rule? How can you consider yourself a Christian, when you say that following the golden rule is bad?

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Message 38 of 241 (328391)
07-03-2006 1:17 AM
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07-03-2006 1:06 AM


Your response made no sense at all.
Then read it again, and again, and again, ...
Did you misunderstand me?
I understood you all too well. I'm wondering if you understand yourself.
It seems that you have been fed a line of horse manure by right wing fundies. And apparently have swallowed it without even attempting to check whether it is correct.

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Message 48 of 241 (328455)
07-03-2006 7:12 AM
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07-03-2006 6:50 AM


I made no association between the golden rule, and the greater good.
Why not?
I said, I said, and I quote "Liberals and athiests believe in the "greater good", which is whatever they think it should be at the moment."
The liberals and atheists that I know are very moral people, and they do follow the golden rule. Many liberals are christians. So why are you questioning their morality?
I never stopped following the golden rule.
In what way were you following the golden rule, when you categorized "liberals and atheists" as a group with suspect morality? Wasn't that entire post of yours (Message 34) in violation of the golden rule?

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Message 49 of 241 (328460)
07-03-2006 7:45 AM
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07-03-2006 6:56 AM


But an atheist can do what ever he wants.
Where are you getting that crazy idea?
The atheist gets his morals from society, just as the Christian does.

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Message 58 of 241 (328500)
07-03-2006 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by nator
07-03-2006 9:47 AM


You write the most offensive, insulting things, rat.
But keep in mind that he follows the golden rule

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Message 81 of 241 (328551)
07-03-2006 12:40 PM
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07-03-2006 11:26 AM


Moral standards
riVeRraT writes:
But the only thing I have to compare it to is religious moral standards. Atheists do not have any "moral standards".
50 years ago, many Christian fundamentalists were racists, and were quoting scripture as the basis for their racism.
Those are really great moral standards you can point to, riVeRraT. Or maybe Christians actually get their morality in the same way as everybody else - from their community. When their religious communities supported racism, that was part of their morality. Now that most religious communities have rejected racism, it is no long part of their morality.
I put it to you that the difference you see in morality for atheists vs Christians is no more than a figment of your imagination.

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Message 128 of 241 (328901)
07-05-2006 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by iano
07-05-2006 8:09 AM


Re: I believe
robinrohan writes:
Well, of course one can make up any code or purpose that one wants to.
iano writes:
Like a moral code that involves killing people who you think are immoral for example?
Is that intended as a comment on capital punishment? And if not, why not?

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Message 163 of 241 (329949)
07-08-2006 8:49 PM
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07-08-2006 8:36 PM


Re: Moral standards
Atheism is extremely dangerous. Name one successful atheist civilization.
China
If I am correctly reading the headline article in tomorrow's Chicago Tribune, maybe Ireland comes close. (The article suggests that they are abandoning catholicism in droves).

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Message 167 of 241 (329959)
07-08-2006 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by robinrohan
07-08-2006 8:54 PM


Re: Moral standards
Well, we have to decide what is meant by an "atheist civilization."
Sometimes I think the USA is one too. If they would only admit it.
I am inclined to agree with that.

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Message 171 of 241 (329970)
07-08-2006 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by robinrohan
07-08-2006 9:19 PM


Re: Moral standards
This is probably the first time that nwr has ever agreed with me about anything.
Maybe that's because you mostly post on nihilism, and I disagree with you about that. We probably agree on a lot, but there isn't much to debate when everybody agrees.
But what I had in mind was the extreme worldliness of American culture--the money mentality--which I do not think is very religious.
I sometimes describe that by saying that the true American religion is worship of the almighty dollar.
But, yes, that's one of the things suggesting unadmitted atheism.
To most Americans, religiosity seems to be little more than a social convention. Attendance at church is no more important than attendance at the Kiwanis club or the Elks lodge.

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Message 173 of 241 (329988)
07-08-2006 11:09 PM
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07-08-2006 10:55 PM


Re: Moral standards
I'm not too sure to what extent this reflects atheism exactly.
In its basic sense, atheism is a-theism, or living ones life without theism. For all practical purposes, a nominal Christian is an atheist.
It's possible to be an atheist and live by a self-denying moral code.
Yes, sure, I agree.

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