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Atheism, a dangerous idea?

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anglagard
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07-08-2006 8:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 158 by robinrohan
07-08-2006 8:33 PM

Re: Moral standards
Atheism is extremely dangerous. Name one successful atheist civilization.
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China (ABE - unless you consider Confucianism a religion)
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ABE - and now Japan
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Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.
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anglagard
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07-08-2006 8:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 160 by robinrohan
07-08-2006 8:38 PM

Re: Moral standards
China?
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You call that successful?
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Are you saying the largest population and 4th largest economy on Earth are unsuccessful?
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anglagard
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07-08-2006 9:03 PM 		Reply to: Message 162 by robinrohan
07-08-2006 8:46 PM

Re: Moral standards
Depends upon one's definition of religion. Is communism, or even Confucianism, a religion, or is it a political system. Is consumerism a religion? materialism? science? nihilism? Beatles? Grateful Dead? Star Trek? WalMart?
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If one calls every form of adulation a religion, then the term religion means just adulation, not worship of a supreme being.
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anglagard
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07-08-2006 9:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 164 by robinrohan
07-08-2006 8:54 PM

Re: Moral standards
Well, we have to decide what is meant by an "atheist civilization."
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I was using the definition of athiest civilization to mean the professed beliefs of the majority of the population within such a civilization. However, as Jar pointed out in chat, civilizations themselves, being largely political entities rather than individuals, can't be athiest, they can only be theocracies, have state sanctioned religions, or be secular. The term athiest civilization under this definition is a meaningless term. Upon reflection, I now agree the second definition is more appropriate.
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Sometimes I think the USA is one too. If they would only admit it.
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The USA is a secular nation as it is not a theocracy, nor does it have a state sanctioned religion.
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Edited by anglagard, : mixing nation with civilization
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