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Author Topic:   WIll God save us if we don't believe in the Resurrection?
sidelined
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Message 25 of 139 (216766)
06-14-2005 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Brian
06-13-2005 7:15 AM


Re: There's sin and there's Sin.
Brian
Before the Fall there was no lying, no cheating, no betrayal, no disobedience, there was perfect harmony between Man, nature and God. What the Fall did was to alienate humans from God, the perfect bond was broken, the trust was gone, and this alienation still continues
There were only two people supposedly on the planet,how do you imagine betrayal lying or cheating could occur? Before the fall Adam and Eve were naked and unashamed.Why would the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil cause them to be ashamed? Is there shame in being naked in a land where the god of the place allowed such display?
Let us also get the myth straight.God alienated people not vice versa.The choice was his to create a snake{who's nature could not be hidden from him} into Eden fully aware of the impending outcome. Oh, by the by,where did the snake gain the knowledge of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Also why were Adam and Eve not immortal to begin with? would this not be a property of Eden?
When Adam and Eve disobeyed God sin became a part of human nature, it is a part of all of us and it is much more than just being capable of doing right and wrong, sin is about turning your back on God.
Not at all! They could not turn their backs upon God until they were aware of the consequences of their actions after they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.They could not know that the action was wrong since the had no prior knowledge of what was wrong.That is obvious from the fact the the fruit was of a tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.
Sin is simply about the breaking of rules,which, if not kept in check to some degree,makes it difficult for a society of people to stay together.The implementation of a series of rules {ten commandments} is easier to implement if you convince the people under your rule that they are rules given by a god.
The first sin, the sin against God, was a direct challenge to His authority
Are you seriously saying here that Adam and Eve challenged god's authority? Give me a break son.How can they challenge his authority? Do you suppose that Eve,while being talked to by a snake,{Hey Eve don't eat the mushrooms eh?} said to herself ooooh I wonder if this would piss off the big guy in the sky? Oh what the heck you only live once,gimme the fruit.
If they have no concept of the magnitude of the act before they eat of the fruit how can they have formed the intent to challenge authority?After all the only experience they had to this point was a benevolent god showering them with all the neccessities of life .Again their first consideration was not Holy shit! is God gonns be pissed it was hey where can I get some clothes.Of course once the woman learned about clothes it was all over but the crying.

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