WIll God save us if we don't believe in the Resurrection?

He's in Heaven now with God so one could argue that it wasn't really a sacrifice in God's point of view. You could consider possibly that the sacrifice was sending Him to earth in the first place. He was a Christian and killed Jews in the name of God so I suppose we can expect to hang out with him in Heaven someday.

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No, not exactly. I was speaking of the method of Jesus death, the trial and crucificion.Let me try to make my position slightly clearer. I don't think there is any theological reason that Jesus had to be crucified. I'm not even sure that there is a theological reason that Jesus had to die young as opposed to living a long life and dying in bed beside a good woman half his age.Jesus life itself was a sacrifice, for GOD to become man, to be subject to hot and cold, hunger fear and doubt, is an immense sacrifice. For GOD to become subject to pain, death and dying is an immense sacrifice.Jesus, by his very existence is a sacrifice for us, but IMHO for all mankind. How much easier it would be to simply brush off humanity. Instead, GOD chose to become man, to walk with us, live with us, reason with us.My opinions on the reason for the crucifiction is not that Jesus had to be sacrificed like an animal but that politically he was dangerous. I base that on the evidence that he was charged and tried. The crucificion was the result of us, people, humans being threatened by his message.Does that make any sense to you?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What about suicide?How do you blaspheme the holy spirit? Is it different from blesphemy in general?

Let me try to give you an example.IMHO, those preachers who are supporting the "Defence of Marriage Act" and similar legislation would be blaspheming the holy spirit, doing evil in GOD's name. Similarly, those preachers who try to force children into ignorance by pushing Classic YEC Creationism would also be blaspheming the holy spirit.When you use GOD as an excuse for evil acts, that is, IMHO, unforgivable.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I was told once that the worst thing was to say that satan had raised Larazus - must have been a myth.

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Don't you think suicide is an unforgivable sin as well as blasphemy against the holy spirit?

Don't you think that Hitler was blaspheming the holy spirit though? If he did do what he did in the name of God, and what he did was evil, then thats blaspheming the holy spirit, yes?

According to the Catechism (#2283), no.

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No problem.What about Hitler? Wasn't he blaspheming the holy spirit? You said that if he wasn't then he could be saved, but it seems that he was.edit: oops, didn't see the previous post or maybe it wasn't there yet, only 2 min. apartThis message has been edited by Catholic Scientist, 06-17-2005 02:48 PM

Hi,I probably posted it as you were typing your reply.Thanks by the way, it is appreciated.Brian.

me neitherEver here this one:For it to be a sin you have to choose to do wrong, and you have to know what you are doing is wrong. IOW, ignorance of the law is an excuse. So, because Hitler thought he was doing the right thing, he could still be saved.This message has been edited by Catholic Scientist, 06-17-2005 02:54 PM