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What evidence is needed to change a creationist

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Message 50 of 144 (447775)
01-10-2008 6:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 47 by Volunteer
01-10-2008 5:55 PM

Re: Changing my view of creation
Volunteer
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If complex systems such as computers require the need of a designer to find both purpose and function it doesn't make logical sense to think that infinitely more complex systems such as the human body occurred without an intelligent agent.
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And what of the infinitely more complex system that entails God? What would be the intelligent agency that allows for the complexity of that system?
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01-16-2008 9:41 AM 		Reply to: Message 69 by ThreeDogs
01-16-2008 9:29 AM

Re: For the sake of the argument?
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To occur naturally, the wherewithal needed to be present and come together just for the hell of it
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This is a contradiction in terms sir. To come together naturally is to do so without the addition of an external agency which is what you then imply by the phrase "the wherewithal needed".
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01-16-2008 10:41 AM 		Reply to: Message 71 by ThreeDogs
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Re: For the sake of the argument?
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You must have the chemicals, etc., to come together naturally, and you must have them at the right moment in proper proportion.
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I thought we were referencing the origin of the universe.At the beginning of the universe chemical elements were not yet a part of things.
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