What evidence is needed to change a creationist

Creationists can and do change their minds. The 'evidence' most creationists really need is this:

One can accept the findings of science and be a good moral person and a devout Christian who remains in good standing with one's religious leaders and family and fellow members of the club.

They need to know that the coast is clear. That is is safe for them to acknowledge the findings of science.Note that the evidence they seek is not the kind science can provide. It's a signal that has to come from the preachers and relatives and Sunday School teachers who set the boundaries in their communities. Until they see that green light, most won't budge._________Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo.

One day a prominent enough evangelical celebrity--a Graham or Dobson successor--is going to say 'You know, I don't think we should ever have made a test of fellowship about this whole evolution thing. Plenty of good, honest Christians accept it and it does no harm to their Christian faith.'On that day, you're going to see attitudes change so fast your head will spin. Countless 'evo-gelicals' will start emerging from their closets--people who have been making their careers in biomed and the oil industry and hundreds of other areas, people who have known all along that their YEC preachers didn't really know what they were talking about, but who kept their mouths shut for the sake of peace and quiet and keeping their family's place in the pew.On that day, Ray, your children--maybe even you yourself--will be here parroting the new party line as their own idea. They will tell us that far too much has been made of evolution, that it shouldn't be a 'test of fellowship' among Christians. And they will think themselves very tolerant and accepting and Christian for taking the attitude they take.Don't believe me? Check the profound shift in attitude toward divorce that fundamentalists and evangelicals exhibited in just one generation. People in second and third marriages went from being ostracized in the 1970s to being welcomed with no questions asked in the 1990s. The Scriptures didn't change. The preachers did.Fundies are far more adaptable than they are given credit for. The entire herd can turn on a dime once its leaders give the signal.______Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.

I second our admin, Volunteer. Looks like you already have the start of a workable OP in Message 51.The evolution of nervous and circulatory systems is a fascinating topic. We could get a good thread out of questions like these.Welcome to EvC.

Please feel free, Volunteer, to quote Denton's more recent work as well.Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.