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Topic: Tsunami: Please Explain God's Wrathful Intent
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 3 of 153 (174865)
01-07-2005 7:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Abshalom
01-07-2005 10:53 AM
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The Questions: 1) Is the recent tsunami in Southeast Asia an example of God's willful and wrathful intent to inflict punishment, vengence, or some other specific intent? No!
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 23 of 153 (175611)
01-10-2005 7:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 7:09 PM
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And so Buz, when La Palma splits and a tsunami wipes out a million plus on the East Coast of the US will you say that it is GOD sending a message to the Blasphemers like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as well as their followers?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 27 of 153 (175618)
01-10-2005 7:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 7:29 PM
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Re: About USA
No, I will say that it's likely a wake-up call to the good ole US of A whose citizens have tolerated the murder of millions of innocent babes, allowed homosexuality to come out of the closet, disregarded the god Jehovah's laws concerning marriage, adultery, porography, and allowed secularistic atheistic doctrine of origins to exclusively rule the day in public schools, et al. In fact, the Fla storm disasters, 9/11, et al are significant in this regard, imo. So your version of GOD is perfectly willing to kill millions of Christians that do not do any of the things you mentioned just to send a telegram to the remainder. Is there some reason to believe your version is any more reasonable than my version where GOD is out to get the Blasphemers like Jerry Falwell, Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, Gene Scott, Jim Bakker and Pat Robertson?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 32 of 153 (175638)
01-10-2005 8:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 8:23 PM
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Re: About USA
Can you document that millions of devout bonafide Biblical Christians have ever been wiped out via catastrophic acts of God? Of course not because natural disasters are not acts of GOD. It is as silly to say that the tsunami in the South Pacific was an act of GOD as to say thet the tsunami that will happen when La Palma collapses is an act of GOD.
Jar, my cyber friend, do you even know the definition of the word, blasphemy? Look it up. Then if you still think it applies to any of the above, I challenge you to another great debate as to whether it applies to any of the above. Oh, they are Balsphemers alright, Blasphemers against the Holy Spirit. They are classic examples of the GOATs. Unfortuantely, they lead many astray. They are the living embodiment of Satan.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 34 of 153 (175643)
01-10-2005 8:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 8:54 PM
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Re: About USA
1. Ok, then, how about a GD as to whether any of these publically blasphemed the HS, as per the definition of the word blasphemy? No Buz, it's pointless debating with you.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 37 of 153 (175653)
01-10-2005 9:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by Buzsaw
01-10-2005 9:02 PM
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Re: About USA
Mainstream media, on occasion has referred to disasters as "acts of God." And so do insurance policies. It's a way of getting out of paying what is due.
Well then, can you document that any disasters have wiped out "millions" of bonafide Biblical Christians, as you have implied? Here is a link to go back to what I was talking about. Message 23 I am speaking about the collapse of La Palma. That is not only a very specific event, it's a far more reliable prophecy than any in the Bible. And just what is a "bonafide Biblical Christian" anyway? You seem to think that Jerry Falwell and Pat Roberston are Christians. Given them as an example, I hope you don't include me in such a definition.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 72 of 153 (175992)
01-11-2005 8:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Buzsaw
01-11-2005 8:05 PM
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Re: Update
As I said, this is likely a wakeup call for the eastern sea nations who for the most part, forbid Christ, Christianity and the Bible. Please tell us exactly which nation it is that forbids Christ, Christianity and the Bible.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 75 of 153 (176032)
01-11-2005 10:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 74 by Buzsaw
01-11-2005 10:14 PM
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Re: Update
Christian missionaries are forbidden the preaching of the Bible and evangelizing of native citizens in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India and possibly in Tailand. Sorry, but even if that is true, which I doubt since there are Christians in each of the nations you mention, that is still not forbiding Christ, Christianity and the Bible. And frankly, I can well understand keeping most Christian Missionaries out.
In Indonesia, if anyone wants to operate a Christian school, they are required to have Islam taught to Islamic students in their schools. And you have a problem with that? Even my Christian School had us study Islam as well as the Eastern Religions and most other religions as well and that was 40 or 50 years ago. Why would you object to teaching Islamic Students their own religion? Please give us one possible reason that Islamic Students shouldn't be taught Islam?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 79 of 153 (176050)
01-11-2005 10:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
01-11-2005 10:47 PM
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Re: Update
As a moderator, I think you need to remember that there's a point when you need to get back on topic when related topics factor in. Ah, like when you bring up something that you can't support. LOL
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 81 of 153 (176052)
01-11-2005 10:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by AdminJar
01-11-2005 10:58 PM
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Re: OFF TOPIC warning
You're right boss. I'll try to do better.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 126 of 153 (177323)
01-15-2005 7:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by Abshalom
01-15-2005 12:49 PM
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Re: Warning: Do Not Preach Jesus to Tsunami Victims
1) Was the tsunami an act of God perpetrated for the purpose of activating missionary activity in Muslim communities of Indonesia? No! If so it is an unbelievable indictment of GOD. It was also proof that GOD is stupid since the tsunammi killed Christian and Muslim alike.
2) Did God intend by the tsunami that Christians actively proselytize in Indonesia against the stated will of Muslim clerics to prevent such proselytization? No! Killing 150,000-200,000 people to get a few brainwashing centers opened is silly. The way to prostelytize is not through brainwashing and preaching, it's through doing. Instead of preaching Christians should just feed, build, comfort, heal.
3) Are the Muslim clerics warnings against proselytizing in Indonesia a direct disregard of God's (whether He be Jehovah, HaShem, YVHV, Yah, El Shaddai, or Allah) intent regarding the tsunami? Since the answer to 1 & 2 were NO!, the answer to this must be NO! as well. The Clerics warnings are also pretty silly. If they want to increase interest in Christianity, then ban it.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 136 of 153 (177708)
01-16-2005 11:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 134 by Buzsaw
01-16-2005 11:32 PM
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Re: Inspired by BuzSaw's response
Rather he's been saving and converting sinners to saints for many centuries So your GOD has two tools, - convert a sinner,
- kill a sinner,
yet he chooses kill. How sad.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 141 of 153 (177913)
01-17-2005 5:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 135 by Buzsaw
01-16-2005 11:42 PM
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Oh crap!
What's more important, their temporal bodies, or their eternal souls? That's the same crap that was used to justify burnings, drownings, the rack, the total destruction of cultures and civilizations. It's time that got thrown out with the dishwater. Take care of their bodies, that's what GOD commanded you to do. Throw every damn missionary out of every country in the world, replace them with engineers, doctors, nurses and construction crews and then maybe Christianity may have a chance of expanding.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 147 of 153 (178774)
01-19-2005 10:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 146 by Buzsaw
01-19-2005 9:53 PM
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Re: The Secular
1. Tell it to the multitudes who've been blessed physically and enlightened by true Biblical Christianity. Tell it to the millions that have been killed, maimed, their civilizations destroyed, their cultures wiped out by true Biblical Christianity.
2. Hitler and Stalin's nations had all those things, didn't they? But alas, they were deprived of the Biblical spiritual which Biblical missionaries could have brought to them. What total bullshit. You Fundies always pull that old chestnut out (even though Hitler was a good Biblical Christian) when you have no other valid argument. Look, if the missionaries would simply shut up and act as GOD would like the message would get across. Unfortunately most of the Christian missionaries are the Biblical Christians, the greatest threat to Christianity that exists.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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