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If you believe in god, you have to believe in leprechauns.

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Message 119 of 150 (166591)
12-09-2004 3:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 100 by robinrohan
12-09-2004 2:29 AM

robinrohan writes:
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Im just saying that the big bang had a cause. Is that illogical?
Logical fallacy : Appeal to Ignorance
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Premise: the big bang had a cause
Observation: all events are caused
Conclusion: The big bang had a cause.
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Refutation: The big bang may be the result of a dimentional mebrane from one dimention colliding with another dimentional membrane .
The Big Bang may be an extention of the natural state of things. Since there is no knowlege of conditions prior to the Big Bang it is a assumption that it was caused.
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Your argument fallacy is what as known as Appeal to Ignorance.
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12-09-2004 5:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 120 by robinrohan
12-09-2004 5:07 PM

LoL....but notice I wrote "MAY be the result..." where you wrote "IS caused". *edit to add: I am not assuming anything, but you are.
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12-10-2004 11:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 130 by robinrohan
12-10-2004 1:43 AM

Re: Which cause & effect?
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The First Cause is X.
X does not exist in space time
X has always existed.
Thats's the only qualities we can assign to X.
Let's replace X with the word Universe.
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First Cause is the Universe.
The Universe does not exist in space time
The Universe has always exsited.
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12-12-2004 1:06 AM 		Reply to: Message 140 by robinrohan
12-10-2004 1:05 PM

Re: Which cause & effect?
space/time is a phenomenon that occurred at t=
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