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Phat
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Message 4 of 76 (429308)
10-19-2007 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by pelican
10-18-2007 8:28 PM


Wholly Holy Moley
dameeva writes:
I was taught the story of Jesus as an example of how to live one's life in righteousness. I was also taught living in this way was my ticket to heaven. I think I was duped!
Phat writes:
How so? Did you feel cheated as to a desired effect?
The whole story was not told or rather the interpretations mainly cover only two parts of his life. The life lived in righteousness and the afterlife in heaven. These aspects cover only cause and consequence. The cause was Jesus'life lived and the consequence was the reward of heaven.
Phat writes:
Even if heaven was not the consequence, the cause seems valid...
In reality, his life as a mortal consisted of three parts. The cause was his righteousness. The effect was some loved and followed him whilst others feared and hated him. The consequence was cruxifiction.
Phat writes:
So is it appropriate to speculate on the effect being different for those who loved/followed Him versus those who feared/hated Him?
All aspects of humanity follow this principle of cause, effect and consequence. The whole of Jesus' life story, taken from an objective perspective and using this principle, could present a whole new meanings to life and humanity.
Phat writes:
Its your topic! Take that ball and run with it!
This concept will be difficult to take for 'creationists' and maybe even 'evolutionists'. However, I simply think a different perspective is worth discussing and could promote some outside of the box thinking
Tell us more about what you believe. Is Jesus a symbol of a life for us to live?
Is Jesus alive or is this relevant to our lives?
Is Jesus an example or a relationship?

Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them.
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“The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.”--General Omar Bradley
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Homer Simpson: Sometimes, Marge, you just have to go with your gut!
Marge: You *always* go with your gut! How about for once you listen to your brain?

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Phat
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Message 5 of 76 (429309)
10-19-2007 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Jon
10-19-2007 5:01 AM


Re: Three parts, or two?
Jon writes:
If I am walking in the woods, and trip on a tree branch and break my ankle, what is the cause, what is the effect, and what is the consequence? And what becomes of the consequence? Is that the end of the chain? How do we determine where one chain ends and another begins?
CAUSE: Ignorant of tree branch (or distracted)
EFFECT: Awareness of ignorance and/or distraction
Consequence: Depends how the individual takes the lesson.
Life is a series of causes, effects, and human interpretations of consequence.

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Phat
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Message 9 of 76 (429342)
10-19-2007 11:44 AM
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10-19-2007 7:27 AM


Re: Wholly Holy Moley
dameeva writes:
The whole truth of Jesus life purpose could surely open up a whole new reality.
Do you personally see Jesus as a historical character to be analyzed or a living character that you can interact with today?
And...does my question have any relevance to your intended discussion?

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Phat
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Message 21 of 76 (429537)
10-20-2007 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by pelican
10-20-2007 11:32 AM


Re: The whole truth
Perhaps another way to explain what you are saying is to have:
  • An Action
  • A Reaction
  • The effects of the reaction, both immediate and ongoing.
    As pertaining to Jesus, we could say that the initial action was either God sending Jesus into humanity (biblical belief) or Jesus himself choosing to go against the grain of Jewish tradition (alternative belief).
    The reaction was peoples love/hate perception of Jesus...both then and now, as well as the death of Jesus.
    The effects of the reaction are the ongoing beliefs, behaviors, and arguments toward or against Jesus that have occurred throughout history.
    Edited by Phat, : added by edit

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