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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
How do you know you were made in the image of God?
Do you have evidnece of what God looks like, so anyone can compare what you look like with what God looks like and pretty much everybody agrees that the two of you bear a striking resemblance to each other? Or, were you taught that God made us in His/Her/It's image, and you accept that at face value? Look, you are free to believe that, of course, more power to you. However, if you are using a religious teaching to try to make a point about a scientific theory of Biology, I really don't think that it's going to do much for your argument.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
[QUOTE]You can see the wind or gravity, but you can see the results of it.[/B][/QUOTE]
Great, you accept inference as evidence! We actually DO observe evolution directly both in the lab and in the field, and we see lots of "results of it." Have a look at these two web sites for a good introduction to Evolutionary Biology:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/evolution/evolution-for-beginners.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-definition.html Please bring any specific questions, arguments, criticisms, or comments back here and we will discuss them. Happy Learning!
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Lots of things are "directly condemned" in the Bible, not just homosexuality. If you are going to follow the "rules" about homosexuality, you have to follow the rules on everything, wopuldn't you say, unless you are allowed to pick and choose which of God's laws to follow?
Some examples from Leviticus, the same book which declares homosexuality an abomination. If you are going to follow one of Leviticus' laws, shouldn't you follow them all? Why don't you perform blood sacrifice on the altar anymore, even though it is commanded in Leviticus? In fact, the first NINE chapters of Leviticus concerns itself with bloody sacrifice. Far less time is spent on homosexuality. 15:19-30, 33 God lays down the law on menstruating women. Such women are to God both filthy and sinful, and anyone who comes near them is contaminated by them. 12:1-8 Women are dirty and sinful after childbirth, so God prescribes rituals for their purification. If a boy is born, themother is unclean for 7 days and must be purified for 33 days; but if a girl is born, the mother is unclean for 14 days and be purified for 66 days. This is because, in the eyes of God, girls are twice as dirty as boys. God really doesn't like women, does he? Don't round the corners of your head or mar the corners of your beard. 19:27 Children who curse their parents, adulterers, and homosexuals must be killed. 20:9-12 Woman with "familiar spirits" must be stoned to death. 20:27 The unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death. 21:9 Handicapped people must not approach the altar. 21:16-23 Cursers and blasphemers must be stoned to death. 24:16, 24 God places a dollar value on human life; with women worth less than men. 27:3-7 11:10-12 Clams, oysters, crabs and lobsters are abominations to God. 18:29, 19:8 "Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." 19:18 "Love thy neighbor as thyself." This is by far the best verse in Leviticus, and one of the best in the entire bible. Itseems out of place here, however, since in the next chapter God orders us to kill wizards (20:6), children who are disrespectful toward their parents (20:9), adulterers (20:10), and homosexuals (20:13). And throughout the Old Testament, God encourages the Israelites to kill their neighbors every chance they get. (See Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15 for just two of many examples.) 20:10 Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:11 "And the man that lieth with his father's wife ... both of them shall be put to death." Which? The man and his father?The father and his wife? Or the man and his father's wife? Oh heck, just kill all three. 20:12 If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:14 If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of your must be burned todeath. 20:15-16 If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:27 People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 21:18 Anyone with a "flat nose, or any thing superfluous" must stay away from the altar of God. 21:20 A man with damaged testicles must not "come nigh to offer the bread of his God." 22:3-5 A man who is unclean, or is a leper, or has a "running issue", or "whose seed goeth from him", or who touches anydead or "creeping thing" ... "shall not eat of the holy things, until he be clean." 23:29-30 Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 24:14-23 Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 19:19 "Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with a mingled seed: neither shalla garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee." I'm glad God told me about this, I was just about to do some of these awful things.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Um, TC, there is no original version of the Bible. There does not exist any first copy of any of it. I believe that it would have been written in Arameic and Greek, anyway, not Hebrew. Hebrew versions don't come till many generations of versions later. Do you know nothing at all of the history of the Bible? Why do you think that the King James version of the Bible is named that? King James did a translation that helped him politically. Martin Luther did the same thing. So did the Catholics. Here is a timeline of when all of this happened with the Bible.
http://www.greatsite.com/timeline/main.html quote: There are contradictory accounts of when Jesus was crucified, depending upon which Gospel you read. Matthew, Mark, and Luke all have him being crucified after passover, while John has him being crucified BEFORE Passover. I quote many passages and link to each of the gospels' versions of the crucifiction in message #127 in the thread "Is the Bible the word of God". It is crystal clear in the scriptures. You did not address this obvious contradiction in your reply. "67.Jesus said that his true followers will routinely perform the following tricks: 1) cast out devils, 2)speak in tongues, 3) take up serpents, 4) drink poisons without harm, and 5) cure the sick by touching them. Mk.16:17-18"--Yup, I have yet to see the drinking poisons without harm and cure the sick by touching them, but the rest is evident it happens. So, you admit that IT IS NOT TRUE that Jesus' followers can drink poison without harm? Doesn't that mean that, in this case, that the Bible is WRONG? All you do in your reply to my list of biblical contradictions is handwave and interpret out the wazoo so you can't be wrong. ...which is fine, of course, but then you can't turn around and say that ANYTHING in the Bible has any "true" meaning, so therefore you cannot assume that any of it reflects what we see in nature. Jesus most certainly did very directly say that he would be back very soon, and that the people who were listening to him right then would see him. You have to twist and change the obvious, straightforward meaning of the scripture to make it mean anything else. What you obviously HAVEN'T done is notice that the farther away in time after Jesus dies that we go in the Bible, the less the apostles mention that Jesus will be coming back within their listeners' lifetimes, and they start talking about some far-distsnt time that he will bring the "Kingdom of Heaven" back to Earth to the faithful. Why don't you try looking at a book that presents all four Gospels at the same time, so you can see how they are quite different from each other in many details, with John being REALLY different from the other three. The following is a good one:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0826705006/ref=pd_sim_books/002-3934984-7943267 The Bible DOES call bats, birds. It actually calles them a "fowl": 11:13And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls ; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; 11:15 Every raven after his kind; 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. quote: Leviticus 19:19Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
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