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Author Topic:   are christian wives respected?
jdean33442
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Message 11 of 65 (31960)
02-11-2003 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
02-10-2003 9:44 AM


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It was finally explained to me by TB that while he could take advice from his wife if he wanted to, he didn't have to, and he was never directed by her. Likewise, she must always follow his direction, and always take his advice.
First, no one HAS to do anything but die. His wife CHOOSES to play this role. Do you understand this? I hope so.
Second, why are you insisting on this thread? It is obvious you are not hoping to learn anything new but to prove wrong the beliefs of christians by utilizing ill formed fact and opinion. It is tiresome.
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My next question was if he respects her as a person.
Respect and control are seperate. I'll put it in hypothetical terms for you. I am a deli manager at a local grocery store. Pedro, who works under me, is quite knowledgeable on cheese. I ask him his opinion before purchasing some brie. Why did I ask him? Because I respect his opinion. I still make the final choice regardless of what he has instructed me to buy. Respect has nothing to do with control. Stop picking a freaking fight over it.
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The larger question is, is it possible to truly respect a person if you ulimately can control them?
In your eyes? No. In real life, yes.

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jdean33442
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Message 12 of 65 (31961)
02-11-2003 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by nator
02-11-2003 8:20 AM


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But does she HAVE to take your advice and guidence, while you can CHOOSE to take hers or not?
Yeah, she HAS to do anything and everything he says. Otherwise a good ole fashioned wife beating will ensue. What exactly are you implying by stating his wife HAS to take his advice. What do you think happens when his wife disagrees. I bet there is a big arguement and she ends up getting her way. Just a hunch though.
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But you have said that when you have a disagreement about some action to take, you and god get together and decide what to do, and she will abide by your descision.
I highly doubt he is high fiving Jesus and having a freaking roundtable over whether he and his wife should attend the Michaelson party next week. Come on. He consults the teachings of Christ and his belief for answers. His wife always believes in the teachings of Christ. So I guess they both agree then don't they?
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That, by definition, means that, even if it's in a small way, you can tell her what to do and she must simply do it. This is what you have explained to me as her role as a good Christian wife, unless you are changing things now.
Your definition is murky. What is YOUR definition anways? Perhaps the believers of the forum would like to criticize it.
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To me, this is not really true respect. Unless she can ALWAYS have the option to say "no" and make it stick if she feels the need to, unless there is never a time when one of you can simply overrule the other, true mutual respect is not possible. Not adult mutual respect, anyway.
Of course his wife has the option to say NO (or YES for the matter). Every one does. Do you understant this yet?
Lovely scripture you quoted, however, the woman has CHOSEN the role of subservience. Matter of fact, the entire Christian belief is based on subservience to Christ. They are emulating Christ as instructed.
Don't get yourself into this type of relationship if you disagree. Others can make their own choices.

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jdean33442
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Message 24 of 65 (32230)
02-14-2003 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by nator
02-13-2003 8:30 AM


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OK, this is for those who believe that the man should be the leader of their Christian marriage;
The male should be leader of any marriage pagan, christian or otherwise.

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jdean33442
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Message 29 of 65 (32404)
02-17-2003 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by nator
02-16-2003 11:01 PM


I'm positive you won't actually reply to me but perhaps you'll be sneaky and reply to some one else while addressing this.
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But what happens when you think you are right and she thinks you aren't? Do you always get to decide who is right?
What happens when you and your husband disagree? It is not possible to always be in agreement with your spouse. When this happens some one has to LEAD, right? I fail to comprehend how you can say you have a leaderless marriage.
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I am talking about things like forbidding the wife to wear a certain lenght of skirt, or maybe forbidding her from reading certain books, or something like that.
Both partners believe in the same standards. This example is not relevant in such a relationship. Now if a devout Christian man married an atheist woman I can see the above example happening.

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