Euthyprho's Dilemma Deflated

But.. what is "a state of survival"?
-someone with no food or water for 3 days?
-someone with no food or water for 2.5 days?
-someone who's hungry?
-a man who has lost everything in a flood?
-a man who has lost everything when it was stolen from him?
-a man who has lost everything because he has a horrible memory?And why would morality not exist when anyone reaches this state (whatever it is) anyway?I would think that whatever decisions one makes, whenever they are made, they could be judged as good or bad.Some might say that stealing to feed yourself and your family is not wrong. Is this what you mean by "morality does not exist?" But what if the thief could have worked out some sort of non-monetary trade with the shop-keep? Who decides which thieves actually need to steal for food? So.. are "those among us" who would suffer this great harm more or less moral? But... morality doesn't exist at this point? What does it matter then? How does an absolute morality just stop existing? Wouldn't that mean it's not absolute at all? Ever?
What if someone is suffering and actually wants someone else to take their life because they are incapable of doing so?
What if the act of killing is the only act of defense to stop some perpetrator from doing some other heinous act?
What if the possibility of saving everyone isn't possible and someone has to decide who lives and dies in order to save some of the people? This doesn't make sense either.
What if a nation is bent on the whimsical destruction of everyone else? War against them is immoral?

Plainly true.But to get through the pedantic rhetoric and have him understand this is another matter.Or perhaps he just needs to use his words more carefully. I'm guessing that his thinking isn't translating into his writing very clearly. And I'd like to see if he can expand intelligently without insulting anyone.

Sorry, more my fault, really. I opened the door for him to continue. Let's see if I can actually add something constructive, though: I agree completely with Chiroptera: But, it seems like you would appreciate some specifics. Yet, since I also think it's relative, I can't give you the specifics, but only my specifics which could be different from someone elses.Like the frameworks always leading back to something larger, my moral feelings stem from a few basic principles. Such as:People are equal. They deserve equal rights, equal treatment, equal protection, equal respect...Of course this leads to the question "Why should this principle be upheld over any other?" And, well, I suppose that's the unexplainable relative part of morality. However, such a statement is difficult for anyone to disagree with. As soon as there is any disagreement, the question becomes "Why should this person be treated differently, and what gives anyone the right to determine such treatment?" I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer to the question. Most just come down to a selfish or self-righteous reason. Which can be easily pointed out and further discussed to find more common ground. Of course, if the person wants to be selfish or self-righteous, I don't have any pursuasive power to tell them they're "wrong". Unless they want to live in our society where such things are frowned upon since they work against our current social order.As a side note, I didn't begin thinking of relative morality because I didn't want to think about absolute morality. It's just, I never could understand an absolute morality. What is an absolute morality? Who came up with it? Why is it better than anything else? Then, given an "absolute morality" I've always been able to think up a certain situation which seems contrary to what should be good or right. Such questions and thinking have never brought absolute morality into any sort of understanding for me. Which is why I think morality is relative, not because I want it to be, just because I don't see how it can be anything else.

No, sorry for the confusion.I was just trying to get the general gist across. By "equal respect" I mean along the lines of non-discrimination. As in, whatever original respect one gives to a stranger they should give equal respect to a black stranger, a white stranger, an asian stranger, a red-haired stranger...Once things are known about said stranger... perhaps that this stranger enjoys spray painting puppies... then one is certainly within thier senses to change their respect position for this stranger.