Proof for God's Non-existance?

This is really a fool's errand. As NJ pointed out you cannot prove a negative.The Romans labeled the early Christians as Atheists because they did not believe in the established Roman gods. Imagine yourself being in front of a Roman judge being asked to provide evidence that the Roman gods did not exist! What would you say?Even the often vilified Atheist Richard Dawkin's has been quoted as saying... Notice the "if". If you really get right down to it, and put the labels aside, we are all agnostics. The Pope, Pat Robertson and the Ayatollha (sp?) are deep down really unsure but put forth a very very convincing front and have found ways to avoid being intellectually honest. They cannot know for sure because there is no way to really know.Likewise Dawkins and Harris are intellectually honest and will admit that there may be a God but the evidence does not point to a God along the lines that any theologian has every dreamt of. Theology is really just a human derived complex set of theories to avoid being intellectually honest, not a striving to know God.Believing in a supernatural being without some sort of evidence is probably a sin of some proportion and that if there is an after life those who do will probably be punished, since it is a misuse and abuse of the gift of intelligence. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

I really find it odd (and interesting) that you find it odd.Scriptural content and its validity/invalidity are discussed here all the time and elsewhere. I have found the claim that the biblical scriptures are anything other than the result of the human mind and culture is wanting. But maybe you have some convincing evidence otherwise. Please share it with us. I do not like your second sentence as it equates the reality of God with scriptures. The reality of God can exist with or without the validity of the scriptures. Well that is the purpose of this forum. I know a number of the participants here are prepared and have spent significant energy and time researching just this issue, much greater and deeper than I ever have. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

Circle is not Spherical! Also the bible talks about the four corners of the earth. Today that is a figure of speech due to our Biblical heritage. In its day that was not a figure of speech but a reflection of the nominal cosmology.If you climb a tall mountain and look around, the earth indeed looks circular - probably the source of the biblical passage. Note there was a word for spherical and it was not used. This demonstrates lack of a priori knowledge.Further note that pagan Greeks were light years ahead. The Greeks knew the earth was spherical around 500 BC, they knew that the orbit of the moon was inclined to the equator of the Earth, they determined that the morning star was not a star but a planet. If you are looking for inspiration check out the Greeks. You are misunderstanding veracity of claims versus authenticity. A writing can be authentic but contain invalid claims. Early dated claims may prove authenticity but not veracity.

God has made no such claim. Your error is in your unstated premise.... Genesis is God. There is nothing in Genesis that indicates it is divine and lots of evidence that tells us it is the work of men's minds including the fact that pieces are borrowed and is typical for the era and place.The Acoma Indians also have a creation myth that Tsichtinako a great spirit created all things. In this myth all things are accounted for. This is evidence, now it's up to you to disprove.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

Most Gods envisioned by men claim the world as their handiwork. It is a common trait of humans to create Gods to help explain all that they cannot otherwise explain. It is inevitable, as soon as human culture reaches a certain point of development they create Gods. Those that develop into civilizations with writing perpetuate and refine their image of God, but in the end they are products of man's imagination.Again there is nothing in the Bible that indicates it is of a divine origin! There is no foreknowledge or depth of understanding of physical reality, no consistent philosophy or theology (major theological concepts like heaven, hell, salvation, Satan evolve though out), no consistent ethical framework, etc.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

We are talking about divine origin not historically accurate. Historical accuracy does not equate to divine. The bible has historic elements sure - why is that a surprise? It was produced within a historical context. The Illiad also has historic elements, some of which are still being discovered, but it is the work of a man.By the way, the Bible is unequivocally proven historically inaccurate on other fronts like Genesis, the flood, the tower of babel, impossible events like the Sun standing still, Shadows moving backwards, etc. Provide some support from astronomy?History equals archeology in this sense but again this is expected and not surprising.Fulfillment of prophecies is purely mental masturbation by those that want to believe it. Just like those who can read their horoscopes and can find "truth" in nonspecific stories and predictions.And again in other areas these prophecies are undeniably false and overstated. For example, Tyre was never to exist again - yet it does, Egypt was to be desolate for 40 years with stinking reeds for a river - never happened.Why not prophecies on the structure of the DNA molecule, atomic nature of matter or the organization of the solar system and galaxies?I would like to discuss Daniel's prophecies but that would be another thread. That opinion does not make it divine.The collection of Shakespeare's works are in a class of its own, Don Quixote was in a class of its own. This distinction does not make these works divine.

Have you thoroughly evaluated the claims of other nonChristian scriptures that make similar claims and discounted them? So many scriptures so little time. For the last time... He did not say so. These are the writings of men, they are based in historical context and mindset of bronze and early iron age.Would the being that created the universe in all its grandeur really give detailed rules as is given in the OT, command genocide and conquest, allow for child rape and sexual slavery, relegate women to lower status, etc.. Think about the relative scale and merits of these events and try to sort out those that are possibly from the mind of man and those that might be from a divine being. It may help to read other works of the same time period.Now when you say the "event" if you are referring to Genesis style creation then yes the critics have done a swimmingly good job of discounting that event. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

Glad you asked....1-week Creation, The Noahchian flood, Joshua's long day, Reversing Shadows, The building of the Tower to Heaven that threaten God(s) almighty, Explanation of the different languages, etc.

One parting thought.Sure the God almight can do anything. But think, is it plausible that this being would stop the rotation of the earth and orbit of the earth and suspend the all the laws of momentum just the the Children of Israel could complete "great slaughter" on their neighbors?Same with the reversing shadows. These stories are a demonstration that the authors had no real understanding of the nature of the universe - to be expected for the time of writing.As far as flood goes the evidence is overwhelming against a flood. Can you point to me one company using Young Earth Geology for mineral or oil find exploration - follow the money as the saying goes.Check out the Geology threads here at EVC. You will find the only YEC advocates are the likes of HEWG who is a probable troll. The receive very little serious attention. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

mods please wait on closing this thread as I really want to see pbee answer to this.... Let's hear just one.

Again an unwarranted innovative extrapolation of the text. Anyway the reflecting the sunlight is a suspension of the natural laws so why not just assumed that God stopped the earth's rotation (and the moons orbit) and all the laws of conservation of momentum, etc. Why do you try to minimize what the text claims? maybe because it is absurd armed with the knowledge of modern day astronomy. About a whole day.... Sure but to what end. So that the children of Israel could complete their great slaughter. Why would the all powerful God want his children to experience the spiritual uplifting experience of running people down and putting them to the sword. Why wouldn't this all powerful being take care of his own defective units by maybe stopping the beating of their black little hearts? Exactly. That which is described is the God of the creation of men. Think about it. This God is also referred to as a Man of War.
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So you discount inspiration.Or maybe they didn't understand the divine at all either. If they could not understand simple concepts such as a heliocentric solar system maybe they misunderstood everything else.And again to what end. Why would this all powerful God resort to such extremes and require "his people" to perform holy genocide? Does this sound like the thoughts and writings of a nationalistic people living in the bronze-age or the thoughts of an almighty God?

You are evading the point. I said if the authors of this text could not understand simple things like the revealed organization of the solar system maybe the rest of the alleged divine understanding in the Bible is erroneous, flawed and misinterpreted via a bronze-age lens. What could be more supernatural then the collapse of all the evil people via a heart attack? or a well aimed asteroid? You are aware we talking about genocide the killing of babies, toddlers, pregnant women and the taking of female children as sexual slaves. Yes these are barbaric and I somehow doubt these are the machinations of the almighty God.And if God's morality such as Love Your Neighbor and Do not Murder are absolute how do you resolve God's working to these barbaric standards? Yes but why does this God work thru the only means available at the present time.Anyway I am done with this thread. I will leave you with your beliefs in a limited and flawed god. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.