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Message 115 of 317 (421180)
09-11-2007 12:27 PM
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09-11-2007 12:22 PM


Re: God the Fictional Characte
For example, in the case where the scriptures give prophecies.
Except of course, that so far no one has been able to show many examples of fulfilled prophecy in the Bible.

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Message 117 of 317 (421189)
09-11-2007 12:50 PM
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09-11-2007 12:47 PM


Re: God the Fictional Characte
Great. If you think so please start yet another thread on the one that you actually think can be supported.

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Message 127 of 317 (421209)
09-11-2007 2:53 PM
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09-11-2007 2:19 PM


Re: God the Fictional Character
I imagine that by "Ancient Scriptures" he is referring to some of the older theological texts, perhaps the Book of the Dead that was written at least several hundred years before the earliest books of the Torah were allegedly dictated, or the Vedas which were also written (at least the earliest Vedas) hundreds of years before the Torah books were supposedly dictated or maybe the even older Epic of Gilgamesh.

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Message 145 of 317 (421279)
09-11-2007 8:39 PM
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09-11-2007 8:35 PM


Re: God the Fictional Character
Actually the TOE keeps getting confirmed by every new discovery and technology while the Biblical claims keep getting disproved.

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Message 186 of 317 (421784)
09-14-2007 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by purpledawn
09-14-2007 1:18 PM


Re: God's Claim
pd writes:
No this is my way of saying provide support that there is a claim.
Here it is.
Only the ocean existed at first. Then Ra (the sun) came out of an egg that appeared on the surface of the water. Ra brought forth four children, the gods Shu and Geb and the goddesses Tefnut and Nut. Shu and Tefnut became the atmosphere. They stood on Geb, who became the earth, and raised up Nut, who became the sky. Ra ruled over all. Geb and Nut later had two sons, Set and Osiris, and two daughters, Isis and Nephthys. Osiris succeeded Ra as king of the earth, helped by Isis, his sister-wife. Set, however, hated his brother and killed him. Isis then embalmed her husband's body with the help of the god Anubis, who thus became the god of embalming. The powerful charms of Isis resurrected Osiris, who became king of the netherworld, the land of the dead. Horus, who was the son of Osiris and Isis, later defeated Set in a great battle and became king of the earth.

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Message 190 of 317 (421862)
09-14-2007 8:57 PM
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09-14-2007 8:35 PM


Re: God's Claim
We have evidence that God's claim is real(Existence). He created the heavens and the earth. It has been written and carried out from generation to generation for as long as we can calculate. It is all around us and even within us.
Ra?
Nu?
Marduk"
Ymir?

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Message 192 of 317 (421865)
09-14-2007 9:04 PM
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09-14-2007 8:58 PM


Re: God's Claim
Does it matter?
Certainly. Different claims are made by different Gods. For example Ymir just worked with existing materials. Ymir makes no claim of creating what came before. Ra and Nu make conflicting claims.
You still have not shown where the supposed claim you are talking about exists, so there is no way to examine your claim.
Until we have some clue what the hell the claim you are asserting is we cannot test or evaluate it.

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Message 195 of 317 (421873)
09-14-2007 9:28 PM
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09-14-2007 9:19 PM


Re: God's Claim
pbee writes:
Based on scriptural evidence, I have concluded that the claim from the ancient Greek scriptures prove to be a a viable source of information on our origin and purpose.
So you are talking about Nix, the blackbird?
In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love.

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jar
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Message 198 of 317 (421876)
09-14-2007 9:35 PM
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09-14-2007 9:32 PM


Re: God's Claim
Not at all.
Uranus and Gaia had many children together and eventually they had grandchildren. Some of their children become afraid of the power of their children. Kronus, in an effort to protect himself, swallowed his children when they were still infants. However, his wife Rhea hid their youngest child. She gave him a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he swallowed, thinking it was his son.
And there is lots more. So is that the claim you are supporting, a Blackbird laying an egg and all?
AbE: Of course the Greek Scripture, like the Hebrew Scripture also includes mutually exclusive versions of Creation, if one is true the other must be false, just as in Hebrew and Christian Scripture. Here is yet another version from Greek Scripture.
In the beginning, Chaos, an amorphous, gaping void encompassing the entire universe, and surrounded by an unending stream of water ruled by the god Oceanus, was the domain of a goddess named Eurynome, which means "far-ruling" or "wide-wandering".
and yet another
In the begining there was only chaos. Then out of the void appeared Erebus, the unknowable place where death dwells, and Night. All else was empty, silent, endless, darkness. Then somehow Love was born bringing a start of order. From Love came Light and Day. Once there was Light and Day, Gaea, the earth appeared.
Edited by jar, : add more Greek Scripture.

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jar
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Message 201 of 317 (421882)
09-14-2007 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by pbee
09-14-2007 9:43 PM


Re: God's Claim
No, I am presenting the claim that a single God(entity) above all things created the heavens and the earth(all things). As it was written in the Greek scriptures, originating from the ancient Hebrew Scriptures. The God(entity) calling himself YHWH who claimed supremacy over all things.
Huh?
LOL
So Greek Scripture evolved from Hebrew Scripture?
And your support for that assertion is?
And what about all the material that preceded the Hebrew Scripture?

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jar
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Message 204 of 317 (421892)
09-14-2007 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by pbee
09-14-2007 10:26 PM


Re: God's Claim
I meant the entity(YHWH) first originated from the ancient Hebrew scriptures.
But you have not entered any evidence that such an entity exists.
Nor have you entered any evidence that those Creation myths should be given any more weight than any other Creation Myths. In addition, you have shown no reason to accept those myths over other earlier myths.
Finally you have shown no reason the those Hebrew books written in Greek should be considered Greek Scripture instead of the actual Greek Scripture as posted taking preference.

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jar
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Message 217 of 317 (421975)
09-15-2007 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by pbee
09-14-2007 10:51 PM


Re: God's Claim
The entity claims that His works are proof of His existence.
I'm sorry but that is simply false.
The story says that the entity makes claims. Outside the story, what evidence even exists that the entity exists?

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jar
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Message 220 of 317 (421986)
09-15-2007 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by pbee
09-15-2007 11:56 AM


Re: God's Claim
The Scriptures proclaims it(Ro 1:20). All the marvels of creation are God’s proof to man of his supremacy and power. Whether mankind contemplates the solar system and the galaxies of the universe, we are receiving evidence of the fact that God exists. "The senseless one has said in his heart there is no God"(Ps. 14:1)
Yes, that is in the story. It is an assertion in the story. It is also irrelevant to the issue. It has nothing to do with either showing your "entity" exists of the that "entity" even made any claims.
The evidence that we(His creations) exist.
Sorry but that is both a circular argument and a nonsense statement.
We can conclude the claim is viable since the evidence is real.
But you have presented no evidence.

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jar
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Message 224 of 317 (421993)
09-15-2007 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by pbee
09-15-2007 12:06 PM


Re: God's Claim
There is not much more I can say. So far you have presented no evidence that either the "entity" exists or that the "entity" made a claim.

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Message 231 of 317 (422046)
09-15-2007 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by pbee
09-15-2007 2:40 PM


Re: God's Claim
God created the heavens and the earth. He said so, and it has been recorded as such. it was written that God spoke to a man named Moses, and that the information would be handed down through generations unto this very day(just as it did). So the onus is on you(the critics) to prove that this event never took place.
That is the point. There is no evidence that any of that happened except that the story claims it.
It is written that Ahmad ibn Fadlan traveled to visit the Norse and fought the Wendol.
God sent Gabriel to dictate the TRUE story to Mohammud since the New Testament folk got it all wrong.

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