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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 46 of 91 (67205)
11-17-2003 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Rei
11-17-2003 6:24 PM


Re: WRONG!
"Please pardon me for being like this, but I have this nasty tendancy to believe in things because the evidence supports them, not because I'd like for them to be true."
thats why i believe in God. my life is proof of it.
"Here's a question for you - please humor me on it. How old are you?"
not old enough as you granpa but old enough to accept that the world was created by a god who will one day destroy it and judge all of us according to his law.

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Rei
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From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 47 of 91 (67207)
11-17-2003 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Itachi Uchiha
11-17-2003 6:32 PM


Re: WRONG!
quote:
quote:
"Here's a question for you - please humor me on it. How old are you?"
not old enough as you granpa but old enough to accept that the world was created by a god who will one day destroy it and judge all of us according to his law.
Could you please put that in a base-10 number?
quote:
quote:
"Please pardon me for being like this, but I have this nasty tendancy to believe in things because the evidence supports them, not because I'd like for them to be true."
thats why i believe in God. my life is proof of it.
Ah. So, what evidence do you think favors the interference of a deity in this world, as opposed to the fundamental, repeatable laws of quantum physics, relativity, etc? Or do you believe in the God of the Gaps (who would currently be hiding in wave functions)? Or do you believe in a personal God, but a sneaky one - one who interferes with reality, but never when there's an experiment going on that would show such interference?
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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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Loudmouth
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Message 48 of 91 (67208)
11-17-2003 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Itachi Uchiha
11-17-2003 6:32 PM


Re: WRONG!
thats why i believe in God. my life is proof of it.
So you don't need faith, you know God exists? I thought you had to believe in God through Faith, and not through proof.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 49 of 91 (67224)
11-17-2003 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Zealot
11-17-2003 5:30 PM


Re: One thing that really bothers me...
quote:
God was only concerned about Adam and Eve not dying AFTER they ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowlege and were to be expelled from the garden of Eden !
So what? There's no indication in the text that they were immortal before they ate it.
quote:
Sin.
Care to elaborate? Because as it stands, it's circular logic. What prevents my definition of sin as being valid is a different definition of sin?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 50 of 91 (67227)
11-17-2003 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Itachi Uchiha
11-17-2003 5:56 PM


Re: One thing that really bothers me...
quote:
Is evolution any different?
1) Yep. Read up a little. The theory of evolution makes plenty of linear sense all on its own.
2) Feel free to find all the errors you want in Origin of the Species. In fact, I encourage it. Always good to route out errors.
quote:
We can tell good from evil like God but we cant always choose right like God can.
Why not? We have the same knowledge of good and evil that he does. How can one entity have a leg up in decision-making over another when the two are drawing on the same level of knowledge?
quote:
And besides we cant make our own choices as to what's good or bad in our opinion because we are not ours. God says that we are his property since he created us and this world no matter if you believe in him or not. One day when you die youll have to stand before his throne and give God an explanation to why you lived your life they way you did. We all will have to do that one day
So... basically, God's the toughest, and might makes right?
What a sick idea.

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Rrhain
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From: San Diego, CA, USA
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Message 51 of 91 (67228)
11-17-2003 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Itachi Uchiha
11-17-2003 5:56 PM


Re: One thing that really bothers me...
jazzlover_PR writes:
quote:
One day when you die youll have to stand before his throne and give God an explanation to why you lived your life they way you did.
BZZZZT!
Pascal's Wager. I'm so sorry, jazzlover_PR. Johnny, tell him what parting gifts he has!
Well, Bob, jazzlover_PR has won himself a lifetime of anguish in someone else's hell! Yes, that's right. After spending all of his life fighting against Satan and worshipping the Christian god, jazzlover_PR gets a reward of going straight to Hades for his hubris. He'll be sentenced to solve a series of puzzles for which the instructions can be read in many ways. Every attempt to glean more information will be met with "Since it would just be a waste of my time to tell you, I won't." Of course, every proposed solution will conflict with something in the contradictory instructions. This being for his continued insistence that those around him are unworthy of explanations.
But, he won't get hungry because he'll have an afterlife-time supply of Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco Treat.
You didn't really think that the god that truly exists is the Christian one, did you?
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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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sidelined
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Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 52 of 91 (67241)
11-17-2003 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Itachi Uchiha
11-17-2003 6:26 PM


jazzlover_PR
What an absolutely delightful demonstration of how to avoid thinking for yourself.It must be very gratifying for your ego to babble on about things you won't even stand behind when pressed for explanations of your viewpoint.My congratulations on your esteemed dodging of the issues.
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"Nature uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns, so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization of the entire tapestry."

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Zealot
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Message 53 of 91 (67298)
11-18-2003 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Dan Carroll
11-17-2003 8:28 PM


Re: One thing that really bothers me...
So what? There's no indication in the text that they were immortal before they ate it.
They were allowed to eat of any tree, including the Tree of Life before the fall. They were not allowed to eat of the Tree of life after the fall. They were immortal.
Care to elaborate? Because as it stands, it's circular logic. What prevents my definition of sin as being valid is a different definition of sin?
Your judgements are affected by sin, God's are not.

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sidelined
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Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 54 of 91 (67308)
11-18-2003 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Itachi Uchiha
11-17-2003 6:04 PM


jazzlover_PR
"And yet, science proves you wrong. Stuff is always coming out of empty space, at every point, at every moment. Something from nothing happens all the time at the quantum level.
And do you know what happens to the "stuff" coming out of the emptiness of space?Where does it go?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 55 of 91 (67317)
11-18-2003 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Zealot
11-18-2003 8:03 AM


Re: One thing that really bothers me...
quote:
They were immortal.
Quote the verse.
quote:
Your judgements are affected by sin, God's are not.
Still circular logic. What's at issue is the definition of sin.

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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5908 days)
Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 56 of 91 (67352)
11-18-2003 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Zealot
11-18-2003 8:03 AM


Re: One thing that really bothers me...
Zealot
They were allowed to eat of any tree, including the Tree of Life before the fall. They were not allowed to eat of the Tree of life after the fall. They were immortal.
Excuse me but how do you explain the logical error here? You state that they were immortal even though there is no verse within the bible to back this up. Now in the same paragraph you state that they were not allowed to eat of the tree of life after the fall.If they are immortal then why deny them the tree. You cannot state that they had already eaten of the tree before the fall otherwise you contradict this passage.
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
You have posted yourself into a quandry here old chap.Please explain yourself.

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sidelined
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Message 57 of 91 (67566)
11-18-2003 8:42 PM


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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5615 days)
Posts: 272
From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco
Joined: 06-21-2003


Message 58 of 91 (67676)
11-19-2003 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Rei
11-17-2003 6:38 PM


Re: WRONG!
"Could you please put that in a base-10 number?"
Sure. 20
"Ah. So, what evidence do you think favors the interference of a deity in this world, as opposed to the fundamental, repeatable laws of quantum physics, relativity, etc? Or do you believe in the God of the Gaps (who would currently be hiding in wave functions)? Or do you believe in a personal God, but a sneaky one - one who interferes with reality, but never when there's an experiment going on that would show such interference?"
I'm not to familiar with the theory of quantum physics nor relativity so i cant debate efectively in that area but ill educate myself about it and come back here sometime to debate about it. The thing is that god is real .like i saud before my life is proof of it. Why dont you give it a try someday? it worked for me.

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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5615 days)
Posts: 272
From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco
Joined: 06-21-2003


Message 59 of 91 (67679)
11-19-2003 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Loudmouth
11-17-2003 6:41 PM


Re: WRONG!
"So you don't need faith, you know God exists? I thought you had to believe in God through Faith, and not through proof. " by loudmouth.
The things God has done in my life is the prooof of his existence to me. Faith comes in when you have something you want very badly and it seems imposible to have it. God says in his word ask me and believe with your whole heart it can be done without any doubt in your heart and it shall be done. Thats faith and through faith we get the proof we need.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 60 of 91 (67680)
11-19-2003 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Itachi Uchiha
11-19-2003 9:33 AM


Re: WRONG!
quote:
The things God has done in my life is the prooof of his existence to me. Faith comes in when you have something you want very badly and it seems imposible to have it. God says in his word ask me and believe with your whole heart it can be done without any doubt in your heart and it shall be done.
God is some sort of holy concierge?
Hm... this idea intrigues me. Let's say I really, really want to have a threesome with Angelina Jolie and the girl who plays Chloe on Smallville, but it seems impossible to have it...

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