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Percy
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Message 1 of 42 (466892)
05-18-2008 9:34 AM


A common creationist claim is that famous person so-and-so was a creationist or that famous scientist so-and-so believed in God, and Einstein is a common target. But in a 1954 letter from Albert Einstein to philosopher Eric Gutkind that just sold at Bloomsbury Auctions in London for $404,000, Einstein makes his religious beliefs eminently clear. Not that they weren't already, but he makes his position more clear in this private letter than he did in his public writings.
Here's a link to the NY Times article (requires subscription, which is free): Einstein Letter on God Sells for $404,000
I was also able to find on-line a more complete version of the text: What he wrote
Here's a couple excerpts:
Einstein writes:
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.
For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions.
Is this sufficiently conclusive for creationists to stop claiming that just because Einstein tended to use God as a metaphor for the laws of the universe (e.g., "God does not play dice.") that he believed in God?
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--Percy

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Percy
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Message 20 of 42 (468554)
05-30-2008 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by randman
05-29-2008 7:11 PM


Re: nope
randman quoting Einsten writes:
"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist."
Einstein also said:
Einstein writes:
"My comprehension of God comes from the deeply felt conviction of a superior intelligence that reveals itself in the knowable world. In common terms, one can describe is as 'pantheistic' (Spinoza)."
I wouldn't pretend to know how to unravel the contradiction.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 22 of 42 (468560)
05-30-2008 9:10 AM
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05-30-2008 8:34 AM


Re: nope
As I said in the OP, I don't think Einstein believed in God at all. I think he just used God as a metaphor for the laws of the universe, which for him evoked a spiritual response.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Improve wording.

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Message 29 of 42 (468835)
06-01-2008 8:18 PM
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06-01-2008 1:04 PM


Re: nope
If you could say to Einstein, "After reading many of your quotes, my understanding is that you believe in a Creator God," I think he would reply, "Young man, when you put my views in your own words it opens them up to interpretations I never intended."
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 31 of 42 (468840)
06-01-2008 8:42 PM
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06-01-2008 8:20 PM


Re: nope
randman writes:
Maybe so, maybe not....but one thing is clear, despite rejecting a traditional view of God, he was not atheist and did believe in God.
But that last part is the whole problem with your argument. You just asserted the one thing Einstein never said: "I believe in God." He knew how misleading it would be to express his views in those terms.
In a very technical sense after a lot of qualifying of the definitions of terms I suppose you could claim that Einstein believed in God, but if you went around saying, "Einstein believed in God," Einstein would definitely respond, "Young man, you are giving people a very wrong impression of my views."
--Percy

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