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Author Topic:   Get Over Your Fear of Atheism
Doddy
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Message 33 of 169 (392720)
04-01-2007 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by purpledawn
04-01-2007 7:10 PM


Re: Bet You Can't
purpledawn writes:
Look at the benefits and problems if there are any
Well for me, the benefits are few, but powerful (at least the first):
-A greater feeling of knowing the 'truth' than I ever had as a Christian. The heavens declare the mundaneness of the universe.
-Don't have to worry about going to Church (although I still do), praying etc, because they are all very likely futile activities
The problems are pretty big, but don't usually appear
-At odds with most of society, especially many of my friends and family. My beliefs can make people angry and sad, and I don't really like that. But I can't deny the evidence just to make someone happy - it's just too big to be a valid 'white lie'.
-Must resist endless conversion attempts by above-mentioned members of society. Not too hard or annoying usually, but takes away much of my time.
-Cannot look forward to any nice fluffy cloud-condo when I die, (but also don't need to worry about hellish hotel room).
-I consider morality to be subjective, so can only trust my own feelings as to whether I would do something or not.
So, most of the problems with being an atheist are the public perceptions, rather than my own feelings.
purpledawn writes:
What does it mean to live as an atheist?
Does it mean anything?
Really, atheism just means not living like a theist. So, whatever it means to be a theist, don't do that! I think that's why discussions on atheism turn into ones about theism.
Personally, I live as an 'zealous atheist', in that I always question a religious sentiment wherever/in whomever I find it. People look at me either as if I was questioning why blue appears blue, or like I am possessed of an evil demon (science? naturalism?). I also like to support my agnostic/atheist friends to stop them from falling into the 'light side'. After all, the 'dark side' is more powerful!

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Doddy
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Message 49 of 169 (392961)
04-03-2007 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by anastasia
04-02-2007 6:48 PM


Re: Bet You Can't
anastasia writes:
I just wonder if a Christian said that it 'doesn't mean anything' to be Christian, and then said they militantly question atheists just because...well, would it go over so well with anyone involved? Especially the people being questioned? Why would I want a person who has found no meaning other than being not like someone else, to question me about my meanings?
I never said I had no meaning, only I don't think it comes from my metaphysical beliefs (and the lack thereof). My reason for question people comes from my beliefs about the natural world, namely that one who thinks critically is better off in the long run.
Besides, I don't see why my lack of metaphysical meaning has any bearing on my discussions with others who do have meaning in their life. I don't have a car, or a license to drive one, but that doesn't mean I can't talk about them or ask people about their car, or even criticize their choice of automobile.

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Doddy
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Message 85 of 169 (393582)
04-05-2007 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by mpb1
04-05-2007 6:08 PM


Re: It's not in the least bit a "pointless exercise".
It's about time someone tell you that whatever your beliefs are
If you're interested, I once saw jar link to a thread last year on precisely this: Belief Statement - jar

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Doddy
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Message 88 of 169 (394013)
04-09-2007 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by dwise1
04-05-2007 9:01 PM


Re: It's not in the least bit a "pointless exercise".
dwise1 writes:
But what's wrong with teaching that morality does exist in all societies? (or does the conflict with some doctrine? Christians certainly have no qualms about claiming that atheists don't have any morality, so do they explicitly teach that about other societies?)
Yes, it does conflict with a piece of scripture.
quote:
Psalm 53:1-3
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
Basically, it is against what the Bible teaches to claim that atheists can be moral. This certainly contributes to the 'fear of atheism' that many Christians seem to me to have.

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