The Origin of God

I'm sorry to say this, but Christianity is flawed in all of its outlooks on creation and the world origins. Christianity relies upon the teachings of a book to figure out its opinions. In this, they already have preset opinions and modify the world perspective to work around this book. In science, we take raw observations and facts and formulate theories upon those observations. In this way science is superior to religion in that it takes the raw facts and doesn't factor in the inaccurate written prenotions such as the bible into its assimilation of knowledge. Many of you wonder about the perspective of evolutionists, well, look at ancient Greek polytheism- looks pretty silly, huh. Well, that's how we see religion as a whole, silly and childish. By the way, speaking of childish, that is the only reason religion is successful- because they start out at a young age, telling them stories and about magical things like miracles and angels. What kid isn't going to believe that? Then once they grow older, they retain those teachings (who's to tell them otherwise), and defend them with such blindness that they can't see their own ignorance. Their ignorance brings them so far as to try to get other people to recruit into their church. They send missionaries to Africa and feed them (don't have a problem with it), but not with a kind heart to feed these people, but with a kind heart that "god" will save them if the missionaries teach them to be "good christians." Many complain that science doesn't have its own organized institutions, but that is the reason why we don't have a massive unition of people because then we want everyone to think what we think- which isn't fair to others.

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They send missionaries to Africa and feed them (don't have a problem with it), but not with a kind heart to feed these people, but with a kind heart that "god" will save them if the missionaries teach them to be "good christians."

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You're even ridiculing christians for doing something good, if someone believes telling another about God is the ultimate gift then isn't that a great act of kindness?

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I'm sorry to say this, but Christianity is flawed in all of its outlooks on creation and the world origins. Christianity relies upon the teachings of a book to figure out its opinions. In this, they already have preset opinions and modify the world perspective to work around this book. In science, we take raw observations and facts and formulate theories upon those observations. In this way science is superior to religion in that it takes the raw facts and doesn't factor in the inaccurate written prenotions such as the bible into its assimilation of knowledge.

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I have yet to find evidence that supports evolution that is fact, though I admit there is little for both sides. You don't support your argument with how the Bible is flawed either.

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Well, that's how we see religion as a whole, silly and childish.

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Actually if "we" stands for scientists, from statistics most scientists believe in a religion.

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By the way, speaking of childish, that is the only reason religion is successful- because they start out at a young age, telling them stories and about magical things like miracles and angels. What kid isn't going to believe that?

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Actually many people become new found christians at old age.

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Their ignorance brings them so far as to try to get other people to recruit into their church.

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-which isn't fair to others.

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Maybe you should type "I" instead of "we" because I don't think it's fair to make everyone else look ignorant.------------------
-chris[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 10-29-2003][This message has been edited by messenjaH, 10-29-2003]

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messenjaH writes:

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if someone believes telling another about God is the ultimate gift then isn't that a great act of kindness?

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No.It has the great temerity, arrogance, and obnoxiousness of assuming that the person needs to be told anything.It isn't as simple as "telling another about god." It is "saving" someone without bothering to consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, they don't need saving.Suppose you were at the gym doing laps in the pool and somebody keeps pelting you with life preservers, trying to "save" you.Is that someone being kind or someone being a pain in the ass?Going around "telling another about god" presumes that the person is wrong about god and needs to be "corrected."And worse, in the case of missionaries, it exploits their suffering in order to do so.

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I don't think it's fair to make everyone else look ignorant.

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Even when they are?Hmmm...one wonders why you think "telling another about god" is a good thing when you think it isn't fair to make others look ignorant. You wouldn't be telling them about god if you didn't think they were ignorant, so you are making everyone look ignorant, which you think isn't fair.So why do it?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

rrhain, what does the "JWRTFM!" stand for? Jesus Would... Roll on the Floor... My...... something

TheoMorphic:Jesus Would Read The Frickin' Manual.RTFM is a common tech support acronym, usually used for those people who ask a question that is easily answered if only they would look at the documentation provided.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

You fail to show any logic in your opinionated response.'if someone believes telling another about God is the ultimate gift then isn't that a great act of kindness?'

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No.

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You need logic for this one and it is a yes.If I believed giving someone a piece of copper was the greatest gift of all to give to someone, and I gave someone a piece of copper, I would be very generous and kind in giving in my mind "the greatest gift of all" to him/her.Despite your personal biases, it's all logic.

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Hmmm...one wonders why you think "telling another about god" is a good thing when you think it isn't fair to make others look ignorant. You wouldn't be telling them about god if you didn't think they were ignorant, so you are making everyone look ignorant, which you think isn't fair.

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So why do it?

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I don't feel like my teachers are trying to make me and my classmates look ignorant by teaching and telling us about things.It isn't fair for them to be doing that though...Simple logic.
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-chris[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 10-31-2003]

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Actually if "we" stands for scientists, from statistics most scientists believe in a religion.

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Are you not familiar with the latest poll by Nature on the subject?Top Cash Earning Games in India 2022 | Best Online Games to earn real money60.7% of scientists in general are atheists or agnostics. Of "greater scientists", only 7% expressed belief in a personal god, while 72.2% expressed explicit disbelief.------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

I have a feeling many people here do disagree with that statement and can provide a whole new set of statistics showing that most scientists follow a religion.
I am almost positive Percy has provided some before...------------------
-chris[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 11-02-2003]

Roughly 40% of scientists are religious, and this is a remarkably consistent finding, although this is lower among "elite" scientists. Don't get confused on that link - it's primarily about the follow-up on "elite" scientists (NAS members). However, the more general finding is a large minority of scientists are religious, and this has held steady over the 20th century.So, "many" scientists are religious, but not "most".

Good point.

One should also note the difference between belief in a higher power and religious. Just because a scientist believes in a higher power of sort, does not make him/her a Christian, though many theists love to make that mistake. After all, how many times have you read about how Einstein was a Christian in apologetic drivel?

not to intrude or criticize in any way, but i think that taking apart other people's postings (such as mine) and smashing them to bits against the ground with your opinions and technical correctness (such as the definition of the word "we") is ignorant and doesn't prove anything.

Smartalex, you used "we" to try to include some undefined group of others as agreeing with your opinions. I think you were careless in that. That has simply been pointed out to you.If you don't like your words criticized then this forum isn't the place to post them. Heck you will find individuals here criticizing their *own* posts on occasion.

Was this really a reply to Messenjah saying "good point"?Hit the reply button on the post you're actually replying to, or things quickly get very confusing. There's a little learning curve to using this site most efficiently, and hitting the right "reply" button is one of the first things you should figure out; it'll prevent a lot of headaches.