Who & what are the demons ?

I agree. But I want to understand how you think you know this. So - How do you know this? Well I have had dreams about all sorts of things. Including things things that could be called demons. But I don't believe that these things were real rather than just dreamt.Do you believe everything you dream is real? I didn't say "KNOW". I said "know". Can you give an example of something we can know? Or do you consider knowledge impossible? Is not what is objectively real and what is not a rather important factor here?

yes, and i think you would agree with the following statement:

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According to the ethical objectivist, the truth or falsity of typical moral judgments does not depend upon the beliefs or feelings of any person or group of persons. This view holds that moral propositions are analogous to propositions about chemistry, biology, or history: they describe (or fail to describe) a mind-independent reality. When they describe it accurately, they are trueno matter what anyone believes, hopes, wishes, or feels. When they fail to describe this mind-independent moral reality, they are falseno matter what anyone believes, hopes, wishes, or feels.

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Thus for you, what is real is only what is provable or "evident"
and i can respect that, though im more of a leap of faith subjectivist

Not really. I am not an advocate of objective morality (except in a very indirect, rather convuluted and rather abstract sense that is way way off-topic here........) I don't think much outside of axiomatic logic (e.g. math) is provable.

The same way you do. Indeed, but I ask again how do you know whilst dreaming that you are dreaming and not participating in reality? 1+1=2 Yes, my only point was humans have for ages have been grappling with what is knowlege, and how do we obtain it. What is truth and how do we distinguish it? A justified true belief?What if the universe is actually a2D projection giving rise to the illusion of what humans call reality? Then that would be reality, illusory or not. If one can not distinquish a thing from another is there a difference?

Which is.....? How do you know that the image isn't really moving?Cartesian doubt doesn't make knowledge an impossibility does it? It makes certainty an impossibility. Can you give a non-mathematical example of something we can know? Yes they have. And much of that grappling has focused on the differences between belief and knowledge and certainty.Where do you think the proposed existence of demons comes in on that "scale" and why.....?

My experience. My experience. Congito ergo sum. There are folks who believe a great number of things that may or may not exist such as demons. Most of which I believe are based on superstition and culture. A imaginary demon is a manifestation of religious evil being played out. Much like a woman who drowns her children because a devil or demon told her to, the evil of her deeds are very real imo. She is at that moment a personification of unjustified evil. The mother rationalizes her actions as being possessed and therefore not culpable, and others being unable to make sense of the heinous act, attribute it to evil. Is a demon responsible? My opinion is no, but to others perhaps the sickness in her mind is a metaphor for demon snd how they make sense of the world.

Because its a jpg not a gif.

How do you know it is not a gif with a .jpg suffix?

I opened the file with a text editor and looked at the heading which included JFIF. The file is a jpg file.

I am thinking that you only did that after I asked the question...

Absence of evidence proves the absence of evidence.In a court of law, the prosecution is obliged to prove its case by producing evidence that supports their case. If they can not do that the Judge will dismiss the case..The defence can sit on its hands and say nothing at all except:"M'lord, I move to dismiss the case for lack of evidence".That's what we're doing here. Produce the evidence or remove the claim.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Yeah, but it’s a .jpg that has been supernaturally enhanced by demons..At least that’s what the demons told me.

But metaphors for demons are metaphors rather than real demons. The question is where this idea of demons comes from and all the objective evidence indicates that they are things invented by humans for reasons that have everything to do with human psychology and nothing to do with the actual existence of real demons. Let me correct you. You subjective experience suggests it is moving. But your wider, more objective, verifiable by others, experience tells us it isn't moving. Subjectively it is moving. But objectively you know it's an optical illusion.I'm sure there is a mataphor for demons in there somewhere..........

And as one who has had subjective evidence, I dont buy the idea that demons are not real.I dont think the verdict can be issued so easily...at this point.

The verdict is not guilty - beyond reasonable doubt