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Author Topic:   Free will vs Omniscience
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Message 492 of 1406 (786185)
06-18-2016 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by Hawkins
06-17-2016 1:24 PM

Because omniscience is based off omnipotence

Technically, omniscience and omnipotence are mutually distinct. Omniscience refers to the capacity to know everything. Omnipotence refers to having unlimited power. But neither is a requirement of the other.

God's omnipotence allows Him to choose to ignore you completely

That is probably the lamest super power I have ever heard of. I don't think kids will be clamoring to the comic book store to see the latest edition of the adventures of 'Ignore Man'.
Kidding aside, you don't need to be omnipotent to ignore anything. Us lowly humans do that all the time. Heck, my cat ignores me when she feels like it.

In this case, you will continue to exercise your freewill, God has no interests in knowing what you will do.

That goes counter to most religions I am aware of. But hey, if you subscribe to the Church of the Mighty Ignore, that is your prerogative.

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Message 495 of 1406 (786248)
06-19-2016 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 493 by ringo
06-18-2016 12:31 PM

Wouldn't the power to find out everything be close to omnipotence? Is there really a distinction between being able to find out anything and already knowing everything?

It is a gray area to be sure. I was going somewhat by the Wikipedia definition:

Omnipotence is the quality of having unlimited power. Monotheistic religions generally attribute omnipotence to only the deity of their faith. In the monotheistic philosophies of Abrahamic religions, omnipotence is often listed as one of a deity's characteristics among many, including omniscience, omnipresence, and omnibenevolence.

They are technically drawing a distinction between the different characteristics.

From my perspective, it would depend on how one categorizes 'unlimited power'. That can actually be interpreted many ways.

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