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candle2
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Message 751 of 1406 (848868)
02-17-2019 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 747 by Phat
02-12-2019 1:16 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
The liberal media is making idiots out of Americans. Most liberal listeners can no longer tell fact from fiction.

The richest members of Congress are liberals.
The wealthiest Americans are liberals. The 3 wealthiest are Warren Buffett, Bill Gates & Larry Ellison.

Hollywood, with all it's perverts, is liberal; so is San Francisco, Chicago, New York, and the Silicon Valley.

Most rich Congressional districts are represented by Democrats.

The majority of the people I know, and associate with, are Conservatives. They want only to work and make their own living, w/o all the restrictions.

They don't want anyone else's money, be nor do they want theirs forcefully taken from them.

They certainly don't want it taken and given to someone who thinks they are entitled to it.

Everyone of us is responsible for our own actions. What we do for others must be done from the goodness in our hearts.

Jesus gave us the example of the Good Samaritan to emulate. He never once asked us to rely on the state to provide our needs.


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candle2
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Message 759 of 1406 (848880)
02-17-2019 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 754 by Theodoric
02-17-2019 11:19 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
You must be a liberal. This is not a swipe at all liberals; my sister is liberal, and so is my neighbor.

But, whenever the word "hate" is used, 99.9 percent of the times It comes from a liberal.


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candle2
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Message 763 of 1406 (848900)
02-18-2019 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 760 by AZPaul3
02-17-2019 7:13 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
I agree that much of the horrible things done is committed by someone who claims to be religious. But, religion is based on faith.

Atheists have faith that God doesn't exist. Evolutionists have faith that life began by rainwater falling on rocks. And, many have faith that the state will hug and kiss them and provide all their needs. They even believe that the state has the right to determine whether a helpless little baby should live or die.

Jesus condemns murder, stealing, and cheating on one's spouse. He condemns anything that harms others, including ourselves.

Jesus says those who practice such things have no part of Him.

It's not Jesus' fault if people would rather follow their own evil desires, than to love others as they do themselves.


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candle2
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Message 773 of 1406 (848927)
02-18-2019 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 764 by AZPaul3
02-18-2019 8:47 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
An atheist believes there is no Goo. To believe in something that cannot be proved requires faith.

It requires more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian.


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candle2
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Posts: 79
Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 775 of 1406 (848932)
02-18-2019 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 774 by Theodoric
02-18-2019 4:01 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
I'm not trying to prove that God exists. Whether you believe in God or not has no bearing on me. However, I don't like to see people cut themselves off from the Creator.

I don't have much from a monetary viewpoint, but I do have peace, joy, and contentment in my like.

It still takes faith to not believe in God (an atheist). You seem to confuse an atheist with an agnostic.


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candle2
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Message 778 of 1406 (848947)
02-19-2019 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 777 by AZPaul3
02-18-2019 4:58 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
Atheism is the belief (faith) that there is no God.
Agnostics say that it is impossible to know that God exists.
Which are you?

And, I would never put the faith of an atheist on equal footing with my faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance (hupodtasis--assurance) of things hoped for, the evidence (elegehos--proof) of things not seen.

My deep faith is it's own proof.

Liberal atheists/agnostics believe in baby killing and not having to work for what they get (stealing from others). They support grown men loving on each other. And, it won't be long before they start calling us "haters" for not supporting adult with child sex, and bestiality.

Any poor ratings that I get from liberal atheists/agnostics is to me a badge of honor. I want to be less like them as possible.

And, have a "goo" day.


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candle2
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Message 786 of 1406 (848984)
02-20-2019 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 779 by Theodoric
02-19-2019 8:03 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
The homosexual priests who rape little boys have nothing to do with Christt. They serve their god, Satan. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church was started by Satan because he couldn't stomp out true Christianity; therefore, he created a counterfeit one.

The RCC is itself an image of the Babylonian Mystery Religion ( condemned so harshly in Rev, 17 & 18.

Both worshipped " mother and child;" both claimed to be able to forgive sin; both had Cardinals; both believed they had the right to murder: both had nuns (the BMR used them for sex and for having babies), which was then sacrificed to Dagon, the fish God. Liberals now champion the slaughter of innocent babies.

In New York and Virginia babies can now be killed up to the time of birth. Obama has said that it is acceptable to set a baby, who has survived an abortion, on a shelf and starve to death. Also, Obama saw merit in a mother having up to 28 days after birth to abort (kill the living child).

The mitre worn by the Pope and bishops looks exactly like a fish with an open mouth. The ring worn by all popes is in honor of Dagon, not Christt

The RCC has taken upon itself to change "times an law." It has sudstituded Sunday for God's 7th day Sabbath. The great harlot has her daughter churches, which have accepted her false doctrines.

Among these false doctrines are :
The Trinity
Immortal soul
Eternal burning in hell
Sanctity of Sunday
That Christ was resurrected on Sunday
That those in the 2nd resurrection have already been judged.
Easter, and many more.

Someone who claims to be a follower of Christ but doesn't obey His laws is no more Christian than is a transgendered man who claims to be female.

Oh, good to hear that you don't have the faith that you actually are an atheist.


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candle2
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Message 788 of 1406 (848986)
02-20-2019 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 782 by AZPaul3
02-19-2019 2:49 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
I have no problem with what two men or two women do in the privacy of their own home. My problem is when people use the force of the government to ruin peple who refuse to provide services for homosexual marriages.

God destroyed the people of Sodom for homosrxuality. Read it for yourself in Gen. 19. Even after being struck with blindness these men still clawed at the door wanting homosexual acts with the two men.

Do you know how ludicrous that sounds? My bet is that you don't have enough common sense to see the stupidity in their act

Do you have any idea how many marriages end in divorce because of adultery?

What argument could anyone now use to prohibit polygamy; bestiality; or, pedophilia?

First it was homosexuality, then bisexuality, then trangenderism. Only a total idiot, and I mean a total idiot, would doubt that the other three I''ve mentioned won't soon follow.

You mentioned other replies to my post. I apologize to those who have replied. I will read and reply to them, but I have a good deaal of things going on. Hopefully it will lessen in a couple of months.

Oh, by the way, I hear that sixty percent of the people in your county is addicted to break fluid.

I also heard that ninety percent of them can't stop.


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candle2
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Posts: 79
Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 790 of 1406 (848994)
02-20-2019 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 789 by Stile
02-20-2019 11:05 AM


Re: All for polygamy!
Listen, stop playing dumb. And stop being an intolerant liberal bigot.
Liberals pretvend to be tolerant but they are not, not even close.

Liberals are tolerant of sexual deviancy; they agree with it.
Liberals aren't tolerant of killing babies, of ripping their precious arms, legs, and bodies to pieces. One cannot be tolerant of an issue that they support and agree with.

Liberals are not tolerant with people who (for true religious convictions) refuse to provide services for homosexual marriages. The intolerant bigots take them to court, even though there are many others who will fulfill their requests

Liberals are not tolerant of one single thing when they don't agree with it

Namba has been around for decades, and it is gaining steam. Perversion had a way of winning out.

I have seen several psychologists and psychiatrists ostate on TV that pedphiles are born that way, and that it is wrong to deny them equality. For them it is acceptable as lovative ngas the child isn't coersced. They are fighting to lower the age of consent.

I have black conservatives who would knock your teeth out for comparing them to homosexuality.

My black conservative friends have seen places like Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and many other cities that have been under the control of Democrats for decades crumble to pieces.

Even with 100's of billions invested in their cause, Democratic politicians have blacks in these cities living like they were on the plantation

They live in dilapidated housing. They exist on subsidies that barely cover their needs. There is extreme violence. Plus, they have lost hope of rising above their surroundings. Liberals politicians have done this

Liberals use blacks, period. They highly enjoy that the majority of aborted (murdered) babies are black. Kill more of them they say.

They tell blacks that they are not intelligent enough to achieve success w/o special privileges, which only reinforces their negativityy.

And you have the indecency to act like Liberals ate the good guys.


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candle2
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Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 796 of 1406 (849015)
02-21-2019 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 794 by DrJones*
02-20-2019 4:49 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
You do believe in fairy tales.
You believe that over hundreds of millions of years a frog really turned into a princess.

Do you have a photograph of a chimpanzee-monkey looking creature hanging on your wall?
Do you tell everyone that this is a photograph of your long dead forefather?

Do you stare at this photo and smile when you realize that he is who you inherited your intelligence from?


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candle2
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Message 797 of 1406 (849016)
02-21-2019 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 793 by ringo
02-20-2019 3:18 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
Lot sat in the gates of Sodom, which means that he gave advice. However, he was seen as a hypocrite. He wanted to be accepted by his adopted city, but he also wanted to protect the hospitality of his home

He was wrong (I believe) to offer his daughters, but I don't think that Lot was a very righteous man. If he had not been Abraham's nephew God might have allowed him to perish with Sodom and her sister cities.

Lot allowed himself to get drunk twice, and in both instances his daughters had sex with him. And please note: because the Bible describes something doesn't mean that the Bible prescribes, or endorse said behavior.

In any event, the sisters were the progenitors of the modern country of Jordan. Perhaps, this is why God spared them.

The men of Sodom rejected the girls. They wanted the men.


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candle2
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Message 801 of 1406 (849040)
02-22-2019 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 799 by ringo
02-21-2019 10:44 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
Lot was an old man. Understand this: the men of Sodom wanted the two men (angels). Philosophy won't change this factt.

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candle2
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Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 816 of 1406 (849168)
02-27-2019 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 741 by Phat
02-12-2019 12:39 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
Phat, I see everybody crying and whining about God and about how unfair He is.

Well, guess what! God has shut the vast majority of them off from Him.

When the twelve Apostles asked Jesus the meaning of a certain parable His reply was: Mark 4:11-12.

"Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."

Pretty clear language, isn't it?

How about this in John 6:44:

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..."

Also Romans 8:29-30

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be confirmed to the image of His Son, that he might be the first born among many brethren:

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

Predestinate is from "Proorizo," which means to "limit in advance."

To limit in advance is also true in Ephesians 1:5,11.

"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will."

"In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated (limited in advance) according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will."

For those who want no part of God they can have what they want.


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candle2
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Posts: 79
Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 823 of 1406 (849183)
02-27-2019 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 818 by Phat
02-27-2019 10:04 AM


Re: Character Evaluation: Both His and Ours
While it is true that God predestinated certain people, it is important to know what they were chosen for.

They were not chosen because God shows partiality. He is not a respecter of person (Acts 10:34).

They are to be the Firstfruits. Each of them have been called (down through the ages) by God.

Remember that Jesus knew of a certainty that He would need to die for our sin. He also knew His elect by name long before they were born. He called them for a purpose.

The Fruitfruits are in the first resurrection (Rev. 20:5-6). The test of the dead comes up in the second resurrection, a thousand years later.

They will reign with Christ ( as God Beings). They will rule the nations with a rod of iron. Rev. 2:27 ; 5:10.

Those in the second resurrection will consist of everyone who has ever lived. They will be resurrected flesh and blood and told that Christ has paid the price for them.

They will be given access to God's Holy Spirit and they will then be taught what God truly desires of them. Upon real conversion they will then become spirit beings--sons of God.

There is a third resurrection. It will consist of those who were truly evil during their lifetime. They refused to have anything to do with decency.

God, in all His love, will use everything He has to get people to convert, but He won't force them.

They will be burned up.


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candle2
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Posts: 79
Joined: 12-31-2018


Message 825 of 1406 (849188)
02-27-2019 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 822 by ringo
02-27-2019 2:22 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
No one burns in hell for eternity. However, you are free to turn God down on His offer for eternal life. It would be really difficult to see someone as having any common sense if theys did this though.

But, there is no burning in hell for eternity. Sorry that you believe there is


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