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Message 754 of 1444 (848874)
02-17-2019 11:19 AM 		Reply to: Message 751 by candle2
02-17-2019 8:07 AM

Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
Please take your hateful peaching elsewhere. It is not worth my time to correct all of your mistakes. But this is not the correct place for your hate.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
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Message 774 of 1444 (848931)
02-18-2019 4:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 773 by candle2
02-18-2019 2:44 PM

Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
An atheist believes there is no Goo[sic].
You should really know what you are talking about. I do not believe there is no god. I have no belief there is a god. Atheism is not a belief it is the absence of a belief. How can I not believe in something that does not exist?
If atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. Her is another one I found.
quote:
When you knock over an empty glass you don’t spill non-water all over the table. And you don’t then proceed to clean up the non-water using paper towels designed to remove non-water, non-juice, and non-soda. You just do nothing because there wasn’t anything in the glass.
https://danielmiessler.com/blog/why-atheism-isnt-a-belief/
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To believe in something that cannot be proved requires faith.
Agreed. That and delusion.
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[qs]It requires more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian.[qs] This is a non sequitur. Your god cannot be proved how does this mean an atheist has more faith. You think faith is a term of derision?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
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Message 776 of 1444 (848934)
02-18-2019 4:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 775 by candle2
02-18-2019 4:24 PM

Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
It still takes faith to not believe in God (an atheist).
You are wrong.
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You seem to confuse an atheist with an agnostic.
No you just don't know the difference.
Agnosticism does not exist some where between theism and atheism. It is something altogether different. Don't feel bad most people confuse the concepts.
People can be any of the following things.
Gnostic Theist
Agnostic Theist
Agnostic Atheist
Gnostic Atheist.
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Let's tear the words apart you can see.
Theism - belief in a god or gods
Atheism - The a means without. Without belief in god or gods.
Gnostic - relating to knowledge of a god or gods
Agnostic - Does not have knowledge of a god or gods.
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Atheism has to do with lack of belief of a god, agnosticism has to do with lack of knowledge.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Message 779 of 1444 (848949)
02-19-2019 8:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 778 by candle2
02-19-2019 7:47 AM

Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
Atheism is the belief (faith) that there is no God.
No matter how many times you repeat it, you will not make that correct. You are wrong.
I am an agnostic atheist. I think that it is unknowable if there are gods, but I have no belief there is one.
And, I would never put the faith of an atheist on equal footing with my faith in Jesus.
That would be a good idea, as an atheist does not have faith. We have evidence and logic.
My deep faith is it's own proof.
Which makes no sense linguistically and logically.
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Liberal atheists/agnostics believe in baby killing and not having to work for what they get (stealing from others).
Your faith makes you spread lies and spread hate? What a lovely person you must be. Screw you.
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They support grown men loving on each other.
As do a large percentage of Christians.
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And, it won't be long before they start calling us "haters" for not supporting adult with child sex, and bestiality.
Please show examples of people that support those things. Then confirm they are atheists. The only people I have seen lately that have been accused or convicted of those things are Christians. Good Christians like Roy Moore and a number of priests seem to have a predilection for children.
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Edited by Theodoric, : Toned down my outrage
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Message 795 of 1444 (849008)
02-20-2019 7:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 790 by candle2
02-20-2019 1:22 PM

Re: All for polygamy!
You are a hateful little troll aren't you.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Message 803 of 1444 (849047)
02-22-2019 11:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 801 by candle2
02-22-2019 6:24 AM

Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
He was 205 years old when he died. (Genesis 11:32) That pretty much proves that it is just a fable.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Message 808 of 1444 (849093)
02-24-2019 1:34 PM 		Reply to: Message 807 by ringo
02-24-2019 1:15 PM

Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
In other words people can read anything into the text that they want.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Message 1410 of 1444 (897317)
09-02-2022 5:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 1407 by Phat
09-02-2022 3:32 PM

Trolling another zombie thread
Don't you think maybe you are trolling enough threads already?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1422 of 1444 (897510)
09-06-2022 9:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 1418 by Phat
09-06-2022 2:29 PM

Lies or just that stupid
Vlad the Destroyer and most Russians are Russian Orthodox. Vlad goes to church on most holy days and has a very close relationship with the Patriarch. He and the Russian people are christians.

Edited by Theodoric, : Typo

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1435 of 1444 (902363)
11-22-2022 11:49 AM 		Reply to: Message 1434 by ringo
11-22-2022 11:34 AM

Re: Sheep & Goat Behavior and Gods Foreknowledge
And now prepare for him to claim that the government caused the implosion of cryptocurrencies.
I love listening to a guy that knows absolutely nothing about economics, monetary policy, and currency spout about the subjects. It does no good to explain reality to him because he will go on youtube and listen to another shark that will fill his head with crap. I am sure his crypto and gold are doing well. Lol.
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What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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08-11-2023 2:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 1439 by Phat
08-11-2023 2:29 PM

Re: Sheep & Goat Behavior and Gods Foreknowledge
Some things can only be subjective.
examples please.
I say that your idea of reality is shaped by your peers, what you listen to, who you listen to
What you say is irrelevant.
And sometimes you have no evidence
Until there is evidence there is probably no reason to consider.
And why do you feel that I am incapable of reason?
Have I stated this?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1444 of 1444 (912379)
08-27-2023 8:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 1443 by Percy
08-27-2023 6:49 PM

Re: Literary Character or Literal Character?
But he has nothing. He never has.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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