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Author Topic:   Free will vs Omniscience
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Message 364 of 1406 (773401)
12-01-2015 2:47 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by Phat
09-29-2015 2:09 AM

Re: Flickering Christians?
Questioning and even doubting ones faith is a normal human reaction. I tend to believe that of one actually lost their faith they never had it to begin with. It takes works to maintain faith, but the Holy Spirit will support your efforts.

I staunchly disagree with this. I was dead serious about my faith and was absolutely captivated by the Word. But sometimes you see things for what they really are.

Is it conceivable for you to marry someone out of a genuine and deep love, but over the years you drift apart? If that is conceivable, then to malign backsliders as "never having faith to begin with" is an unfair mischaracterization.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 377 of 1406 (776108)
01-08-2016 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Phat
01-03-2016 3:51 PM

Re: Puppets or Prodegies?
Just because God foreknows what will happen does not necessarily mean that He caused it to happen. He may well have scripted it---in fact, eternity itself may have a script. I see the counterarguments but all it shows me is that some people insist that they dont have free will because they can never do anything outside of the script. I have no problem with this, nor should anyone because who in their right mind would want to be independent of God, anyway? (Apart from satan)
This is in my mind the reason people claim they have no free will. Its only because they want to be truly free and independant of a scripted reality.

It really doesn't make much sense any other way though. If God is the Creator, and assuming you don't believe in a deist, hands-off approach, then nothing exists apart from his will. So it stands to reason that this much control negates freewill since it would have to be scripted and that rather what we're actually seeing is the illusion of freewill. You think you have a choice but your fate was already sealed before your creation.

And this is the problem that I have with concepts of sin within the Judeo-Christian framework. God imparts certain innate qualities, but then gets pissed when you do the very thing you were programmed to do. That would make him directly complicit, no?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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